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Old 03-06-2018, 06:32 PM
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Just wanted to get everyone thoughts on next million dollar cards. After the Mantle 9 in Heritage goes for over $3.5 and surpasses the Wagner will others follow? I'll start with Ty Cobb with Cobb back highest grade.
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Maybe not next...but eventually, 1954 Topps Aaron rookie gem mint 10, probably after he passes away. Only couple known and has always been a hot one.
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Possibly 1914 CJ Jackson SGC 98, 1914 Baltimore News Ruth PSA 4, and M101-5 Sporting News Ruth PSA 8

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Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 Ď51 Bowman Mantle Rookie
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Don't know about million dollar (I know it's NOT in my collection), but this one will be Ten Million:
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I canít agree more with this.

Also I just seen in another forum someone asking what young prospects will they buy in hopes of them making it big. I guy got roasted and banned and is still getting roasted. Nobody wants to share the secret lol. Most of these kids wonít even make the majors or be out in a few years.
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1985 Star Michael Jordan PSA 10 (yes, I'm predicting that one day, PSA will start grading this card again)
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My understanding is that they donít grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
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Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 ‘51 Bowman Mantle Rookie
Somehow, the '51 Bowman Mantle PSA 10 slipped my mind. That definitely would be the next 7 figure card if that were ever up for sale.

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If they haven't after all these years, I don't see why you think this would change? I am sure they have considered and rejected the idea multiple times.
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Maybe this. As you can see it was signed by Mr. Zul.
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My real answer is the '51 Bowman Mantle. Could see it happen for the Mays as well if a PSA 10 is ever awarded.
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Any of the key 50s and 60s RCs in a PSA 10 could hit a mil if there are only 1 or 2 available. Mantle, mays, Clements, Aaron, rose, and Ryan come to mind. The Ruth and Jackson cards mentioned in this thread make sense, as well as the nicest examples of an e90-1 or t210 Jackson.
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My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
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If they haven't after all these years, I don't see why you think this would change? I am sure they have considered and rejected the idea multiple times.

I thought I remember reading on the CU forum that it was a myth that there are printing plates out there that someone has, which they can use to print more cards. If PSA does decide that it really is a myth about the printing plates, they may decide to start holdering the cards. Right now, Beckett is the only legitimate company holdering the cards, and even though the high grade ones routinely sell for thousands of dollars, there has not been a flood of them in the market. (FYI, I also do not currently own any right now.)

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I thought I remember reading on the CU forum that it was a myth that there are printing plates out there that someone has, which they can use to print more cards. If PSA does decide that it really is a myth about the printing plates, they may decide to start holdering the cards. Right now, Beckett is the only legitimate company holdering the cards, and even though the high grade ones routinely sell for thousands of dollars, there has not been a flood of them in the market. (FYI, I also do not currently own any right now.)

I donít think it was a myth. This was the reason the PSA gal told me when I submitted star cards to be slabbed.
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Don't know about million dollar (I know it's NOT in my collection), but this one will be Ten Million:
Dean's is selling it. If it isn't selling for ten million now, it never will be.
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Looks like Gary's intuition may be right: https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/

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Baltimore News Ruth in ANY Grade; M101 Ruth in 8 (possibly a well-centered 7 as well); Cobb w/Cobb back PSA 4.5; the sole PSA 10 Ď51 Bowman Mantle Rookie
The '14 Baltimore News Ruth is almost certainly already there as we speak, should one change hands. The asking price for what was probably the very worst of the 11 or so in existence was $700,000 several years ago. As I stated in a thread some time ago, it is my pick for the first 8-figure card.

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My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.
That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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How were you able to observe that?
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Looks like Gary's intuition may be right: https://jordancards.com/blog/the-rea...rt-steve-taft/
There is a site called Basketball Gold with excellent info on Star and some of the controversy.
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That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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Multiple people have told me the reason PSA stopped grading is not that new ones were being run off printing plates, but that they had inadvertently graded some "Type II" cards -- preproduction samples never intended for distribution -- and were concerned they could not tell the difference.
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A PSA_10.5 or PSA_11 52T Mantle Rookie The card would exceed all PSA standards and be dubbed the 10.5 or 11..... call it the pack fresh, straight out of the box, undeniably MINTIEST card ever touched by PSA (and submitted by a key submitter that knows Joe personally).
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That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

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Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.
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Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.
How many 101s has Beckett slabbed?
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664. Then factor in regrades. So safely I'd say 600.
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The '14 Baltimore News Ruth is almost certainly already there as we speak, should one change hands. The asking price for what was probably the very worst of the 11 or so in existence was $700,000 several years ago. As I stated in a thread some time ago, it is my pick for the first 8-figure card.

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Larry - perhaps. But as I understand it, there is more than one collector who owns more than one BN Ruth. Put differently, I think it's equally (if not more) likely that other than that singular example that has floated around, any others that come to market may come in a pair of examples. I'm not sure if two BN Ruths came to market in a relatively short time frame (<18 months) that they would both fetch seven figure price tags.
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664. Then factor in regrades. So safely I'd say 600.
Hard to believe there are 14000 if only 600 are graded.
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My thinking exactly, Peter. No way.
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Larry - perhaps. But as I understand it, there is more than one collector who owns more than one BN Ruth. Put differently, I think it's equally (if not more) likely that other than that singular example that has floated around, any others that come to market may come in a pair of examples. I'm not sure if two BN Ruths came to market in a relatively short time frame (<18 months) that they would both fetch seven figure price tags.
The worst example went from $150,000 to $450,000 to an asking price of about $700,000 about three years ago, all in the span of less than a decade. That's appreciation at a level of around 18% or better, compounded annually. Given the ultra-rarity of the card and its' immense significance, I have no doubt whatsoever that in a prime-time auction, an example would presently sell at seven-figures. The best one (VG+?) could easily vie with one of the PSA "10" '52 Topps Mantles for the first 8-figure card.

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The worst example went from $150,000 to $450,000 to an asking price of about $700,000 about three years ago, all in the span of less than a decade.
IMHO, I think that you are referring to the red PSA 1 example. There is actually an even lower condition example, but I do not think that it is graded. It has such bad back damage that part the card is actually missing. Otherwise, it is a very nice looking example. Too bad the original owner was not more careful in pulling it out of an album.
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Have always loved the prookie Ruth...If a nice one hit the market I could easily see it hitting a million. (especially since it's not my money!!)

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IMHO, I think that you are referring to the red PSA 1 example. There is actually an even lower condition example, but I do not think that it is graded. It has such bad back damage that part the card is actually missing. Otherwise, it is a very nice looking example. Too bad the original owner was not more careful in pulling it out of an album.
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Anyone who would pay a million for a PSA 10 Valenzuela rookie (in today's dollars) is clinically insane.

Now a PSA 10 VENEZUELAN rookie of Nolan Ryan ... okay, that I might believe.
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It does not appear that PSA has slabbed a "MINT 9" T206 Cobb, green. If they do, perhaps a shot at $1. Million. Looks like there are 6 Walter Johnson portraits in 9 grade, only 1 Matty in 9 grade.
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It does not appear that PSA has slabbed a "MINT 9" T206 Cobb, green. If they do, perhaps a shot at $1. Million. Looks like there are 6 Walter Johnson portraits in 9 grade, only 1 Matty in 9 grade.
I don't think either of those, even in a 9, get to a million dollars. That said, the registry addiction is pretty strong to some.
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Agreed. I think the last 8 to hit the block came pretty close.

Maybe a high grade T210 Shoeless.

Perhaps 2019 will see a big card of his hit the auction circuit.
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I can see one of the PSA 10 1953 Topps Mantles pushing a million soon.
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Good call— in fact It already broke that in private sale.

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Good calló in fact It already broke that in private sale.
A bump can sure create a lot of value...
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Having held it raw before it was initially put in the 9-slab, I certainly felt it was deserving of the 10 grade. After all, the difference between a strong 9 and 10 is so hard for us to distinguish. The card was so impressive, a real thing of beauty and tickles the imagination to think how it journeyed through time. It was never going to be sold in the initial 9-slab, as both gents involved knew it was a gem mint card. The bump in effect didn't really change the value in the case of that sale, as they knew what the card was and had pretty much agreed on the price tag before it wound up in its final resting holder.

I thankfully had the pleasure of seeing the original collection from which it came. Meticulously built sets in binder after binder. Really special to behold.

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Thanks for sharing your story and insights, MattyC. I agree on the assessed value of this faultless, amazing Mantle. Glad it got bumped to a 10, when it was in fact too strong of a 9 not to be assessed the ultimate grade.

I know the owner of what he's coined, "The Maltese Falcon of Baseball Cards", feels doubly so. It's the 1953 Stahl-Meyer Franks Mickey Mantle in PSA 9 MINT condition. Unique, 1 of 1. THE perfect portrait of Mickey.
Furthermore, The Maltese Falcon Mickey Mantle is almost perfectly centered.

With the sheer value of all the cards in an older Topps set, and the time it requires to build a given set, it has ever so slowly made the PSA Set Registry irrelevant. Mind you, I am strictly referring to an older Topps set painstakingly built to PSA 8-10 standard. The buyers with the boo coo like exclusivity, and they enjoy impressing. It's better ( "better" as in the way of exercising more fiduciary responsibility to themselves, and more gratifying) to concentrate on a key game-face player, or an array of HOF rookie cards. In my experience, a suite of "the favored few" tends to make a more compelling display. A collection of prized pieces, so to speak, rather than a set of hundreds and hundreds of commons, several dozen stars and a dozen major stars. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

-----Brian Powell

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