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Old 05-15-2010, 01:05 AM
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Have you ever seen these same images used in another pre-war set?
They are also seen in the m101-5 set or on the Police Gazette premiums.
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Thanks Todd for answering my question.


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Old 05-15-2010, 09:12 AM
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maybe Lew will chime in and clarify this more. Brian says he thinks these are strip cards because of the size variance and Leon says the fact they're all basically the same size makes them from the same set. Which is it--size variance or same size? Frankly, I've seen much wider size variance, both in degree and frequency, in the m101-4 and m101-5 cards than what I've been shown here, and those are clearly not strip cards.

As for the borders, are you saying that the similarity in the black frame surrounding the photo makes you think they belong together? Do you really notice any difference in the black frames surrounding m101-4s and those on E135 Collins McCarthy the following year? A basic black line of essentially the same thickness?

In my experience, there are very very few card issues that have the same card size but different sizes for the images within the borders of the card. That is clearly the case here, and that is why I believe they are not from the same set.
Todd- your statement in the first paragraph about variance and size do not have to be mutually exclusive imo. I never said whether I thought they are strip cards or not. I don't know. I said some of them look to be handcut, and they do. I said I would go with Lew's thought on that part of it and he stated he doesn't think they are strip cards. Lew and I have a pretty good rapport and I did ask him, on the phone, if he had any other info at all. He said he described all that he knew (I believe). Regardless, there was no other information to be gleaned. I did try. Also, Lew reads the board, as we have emailed this morning about something board related, so has seen this and is probably amused at us. If he knew something completely different/more he would probably email and say so. He's always been a pretty good sport about helping me and it's always appreciated.

Your other statement about size of photo's within certain sets makes some sense but there are definitely some that are as you described...different photo size within a set.....here is one that comes to mind as an example, N48. best regards (I don't own these but used to)
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Another thing that came to me today is that a lot of these cards have diamond cuts.

I don't see diamond cuts to often on strips.

There are no lines so how would cards measure the same if they were strips.

Brian you said you think they are strips based on what factors?

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When I first saw these cards about 15 years ago I though they were strip cards, but now that Ive seen maybe 30 of them total, Id NOW say they are machine cut.

Strip cards were collected and originally cut/ripped by kids, and a good % will be screwed up by them like the other strip cards and candy box cut outs of the Era.

Even though most have heavy wear, I have yet to see a badly cut or torn 1915 W-Unc.

They are probably candy cards like the other misnamed strips cards W503, W555 etc.

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Old 05-17-2010, 03:42 PM
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[quote=Leon;807896] All of these are in inches, of course:

Phili Team card small players ................. 2 45/64h x 1 46/64w
Jim Thorpe ......................................... 2 48/64 x 1 42/64
Joe Wood .......................................... 2 48/64 x 1 39/64
Fred Maisel ........................................ 2 48/64 x 1 42/64
Nap Rucker ........................................ 2 48/64 x 1 47/64
Joe Doyle .......................................... 2 49/64 x 1 42/64
* Mathewson ..................................... 2 48/64 x 1 44/64
* Phili Team composite ........................ 2 49/64 x 1 42/64

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I got the 4 card lot from Leon and also won 2 other cards from Lew. I already had a Jackson, Rucker and Phily team card. I sat down and compared them, although not to the extent that Leon did. This is what I came up with.

I used the Maisel as the standard and this is what I found.


Maisel and Doyle almost exact in size even though the bottom of the Doyle card looks cut off.

Wood matched top to bottom, but short Left to right

Rucker matches top to bottom, but much wider left to right.

Both my Ruckers have a print dot and are cut very close at the top. The both match size wise.

Athletics team matches top to bottom but is wide left to right, however the width matches the Rucker cards

Marquard is a bit wider both left to right and top to bottom but was very close top to bottom (tough to tell as it is in a SGC holder)

Maranville is a lot longer top to bottom but matches left to right.

Based on both Ruckers matching and many of the other cards being the exact same size, there just is no way these could be strip cards in my opinion. There are just way to many cards that are uniform and share characteristics. Plus seeing as both Ruckers are near identical in cut is pretty much enough proof for me.

I would love to hear what anyone's basis for these being strip is other then that is what they were cataloged as....

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I was just reading this thread again and have given this set some more thought recently. I am certainly in the camp of them being a set of candy cards rather than strip cards now as Lew Lipset (hi Lew) had stated. I still don't know about the two varieties being two different sets though. Anything is possible and hopefully we will learn more about this set in the future. There has to be something about it in some old ad or something, you would think?
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Interesting set. I especially like the team cards.
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I have one of these not on any checklist I have seen. I just got a Grover Alexander back from SGC.

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I have one of these not on any checklist I have seen. I just got a Grover Alexander back from SGC.

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May we see the Alexander?
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