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With all due respect....where are you getting your numbers ? There is absolutely no comparison with 350-only series PB pop #'s vs 350/460 series PB pop #'s. For example...... DEMMITT.....230 (approx.) O'HARA........255 (approx.) 350/460 series COBB red.....232 COBB bat.....141 350-only series Speaker.........78 Beckley..........54 Bresnahan......51 McGinnity.......46 Furthermore, information from Scot's 100,000+ survey support what I have stated regarding the differences in printing quantities of PB cards vs 350-only, 350/360. and 460-only series. TED Z . |
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compared to the 350 series Polar Bears. The numbers I provided were from the PSA Polar Bear pop reports comparing the Demmitt and O'Hara to Fred Beck who is also from the 350 series, Here are the combined PSA and SGC #'s Demmitt 231 total with 93 lower than a grade of 2 (A , 1 or 1.5) = 1 out of 2.4 below a 2 O'Hara 217 total 80 below a 2 = 1 out of 2.7 below a 2 Beck 56 total 7 below a 2 = 1 out of 8 below a 2 To me this is in line with what I would expect considering how many Demmitt and O'Hara's would be graded compared to Beck. Wouldn't you agree that Demmitt and O'Hara would be 3 or 4 times more likely to be graded than a Fred Beck Polar Bear? |
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I figured that I would post population totals of Polar Bears for HOF's graded by PSA and SGC combined, broken down in print groups. Now I already know that these are just numbers and who knows what has been broken out and re-graded, or what backs are on the graded cards before PSA cared to identify them, or that quantities of cards are not counted from SGC because it was before they were keeping track of player pose. The purpose of this is to show a current average of cards across the print groups at this time.
I chose HOF's because they are more likely to be graded than a common player. PRINT GROUP 2 (350 SERIES) BECKLEY - 55 BRESNAHAN - BATTING - 49 COLLINS, JIMMY - 58 KELLEY - 60 MCGINNITY - 47 SPEAKER - 69 PRINT GROUP 3 (350-460 SERIES) BAKER - 133 BENDER - NO TREES - 87 BROWN - CHICAGO ON SHIRT - 141 COBB - BAT OFF - 141 CRAWFORD - WITH BAT - 81 GRIFFITH - BATTING - 108 JENNINGS - ONE HAND - 92 JENNINGS - TWO HANDS - 50 JOHNSON - GLOVE AT CHEST - 155 JOSS - HANDS AT CHEST - 170 LAJOIE - WITH BAT - 125 TINKER - BAT OFF - 67 WILLIS - BATTING - 61 WILLIS - THROWING - 97 YOUNG - WITH GLOVE - 149 PRINT GROUP 4 (460 SERIES) CHANCE - BATTING - 24 DUFFY - 38 MARQUARD - PITCHING - 78 MCGRAW - GLOVE AT HIP - 37 MCGRAW - PORTRAIT WIT CAP - 34 TINKER - BAT ON - 29 WHEAT - 39 PRINT GROUP 5 (SUPER PRINTS) CHANCE - YELLOW PORTRAIT - 155 COBB - RED PORTRAIT - 272 EVERS - CHICAGO ON SHIRT - 132 MATHEWSON - DARK CAP - 188
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Demmitt (St Louis)
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Searching for an affordable Demmitt (St Louis) card ? You might consider a T213-2 Demmitt....the image is exactly the same....if you don't mind the blue caption and it's different team name There is usually one for sale on ebay for about $100 - 200. Just think of the $$$$ you save....you can spend it on more T206's. . TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 12-26-2017 at 09:36 AM. Reason: Added scan. |
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T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards
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Pardon me for starting this OLD MILL post by first showing you my very first T206 card which I acquired in 1981 at the famous Willow Grove (PA) Show......but, I'm proud of it. ...besides Walter Johnson, Chase is my favorite player from the deadball era. OLD MILL backs are tricky. They are tough to find on certain 150/350 series subjects. For example.... OLD MILL's are more available on subjects in the 350-only series. And, OLD MILL's are most available on subjects in the 350/460 series. OLD MILL'S get somewhat tougher to find on subjects in the 460-only series. Furthermore, the Exclusive 12 subjects in this latter series are very, very difficult to find with OLD MILL backs...... I do not recall of any major finds of T206 OLD MILL (Major Leaguer) cards. Does any one on this forum know of any ? If so, please chime in and tell us of them. In recent years, Mark Macrae acquired an original T206 collection located in the Northwest. It included a fairly large number of OLD MILL cards. If I recall these cards were all from the 350/460 series, and 460-only series. . To date....309 black OLD MILL Major League subjects have been confirmed. They are listed here as a function of their respective T206 series. 150/350 Series..................123 subjects Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Alperman Ames (portrait) Ball (New York) Bates Beaumont Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Bergen (bat) Bowerman Bradley (portrait) Bransfield Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) Camnitz (arms folded) Chance (red portrait) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) JJ Clarke Cobb (green) Cobb (bat on shoulder) Conroy (fielding) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Crawford (throwing) Criss George Davis (Chicago) Harry Davis (A's) Delehanty (Washington) Donlin (seated) Donovan (portrait) Doolin Dougherty (portrait) Durham Evers (portrait) Ferris Flick Ganley Gibson Gilbert Goode Griffith (portrait) Hahn Hemphill Herzog (New York) Hinchman (Cleveland) Isbell Jacklitsch Jennings (portrait) Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) Jordan (portrait) Joss (portrait) Keeler (portrait) Keeler (bat) Killian (pitching) Kleinow (bat) Kling Konetchy (glove high) Lajoie (portrait) Lajoie (throwing) Lake (New York) Leach (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Lobert Lumley Magee (portrait) Manning (bat) Marquard (hands at side) Mathewson (portrait) Mathewson (white cap) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) McIntyre (Brooklyn) McQuillan (ball in hand) Merkle (portrait) Murphy (throwing) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Overall (portrait) Owen Parent Pastorius Powell Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Schlei (catching) Schmidt (throwing) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Spade Stahl (no glove) Steinfeldt (portrait) Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan L Tannehill (Chicago) Tenney Tinker (portrait) Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wagner (bat on left) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Wilhelm (hands at chest) Williams Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) 350-only Series..................76 subjects Abbott Anderson Atz Batch Beck Bender (trees) Blackburne Bliss Brain Brown (Washington) Burke Burns Bush Campbell Casey Clark Collins (A's) Congalton Cravath Cree Dahlen (Brooklyn) Dineen Joe Doyle (hands over head) Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Easterly Egan Elberfeld (portrait-Washington) Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Freeman Fromme Gasper Graham (Boston) Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hofman Hoffman (Providence) Hulswitt Jackson Kelley Kisinger Kleinow (New York-catching) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Kruger Lavender Livingstone McCormick Milligan Oakes Oberlin Parent Pfeister (seated) Purtell Quillen Rhoades (arm extended) Scott Smith (Buffalo) F. Smith (white cap) Stanage Stephens Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thomas Titus White (Buffalo) Wilson Wright Zimmerman 350/460 series..................58 subjects Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) Berger Bradley (bat) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Crawford (bat) Harry Davis (A's) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (Boston) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Louis (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifeld (bat) Magee (bat) Manning (pitching) McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Nichols (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Reulbach (no glove) Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (fielding) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) Doc White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (throwing) Willis (bat) Wiltse (pitching) CYoung (glove) 460-only Series..................46 subjects Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Ball (Cleveland) Bell (follow thru) Bergen (catching) Bescher (hands over head) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (hands over head) Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (bat) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Duffy Larry Doyle (portrait) Ford Frill Gandil Geyer Herzog (Boston) Howell (hand at waist) Hummel Lake, St. Louis (ball) Latham Marquard (pitching) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Needham Oldring (batting) Overall (blue sky) Payne Pfeffer Schaefer (Washington) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Schulte (back view) Seymour (portrait) Sheckard (glove) Smith (Brooklyn) Stovall (bat) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on shoulder) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) Six Super-Prints Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) Mathewson (dark cap) This survey is a work in progress....any new OLD MILL inputs are greatly appreciated. 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The Old Mill subset is a serious task. I haven't officially focused on the subset yet, even though my Old Mill count is currently at 151. My first Old Mill purchase was a Heinie Zimmermann. My second was a Hal Chase Blue Portrait. My Old Mill SL is complete. Just doing a search on Ebay for T206 Old Mill's will show that not many non SL's are available. I will most likely focus on the Old Mill's a bit more after my Polar Bear subset is down to single digits. It should be interesting to see if a few more Old Mill's get confirmed.
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T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards
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TheT206 set includes exactly 48 Southern League (SL) subjects....34 of which were printed with 3 different backs (brown HINDU, OLD MILL, and PIEDMONT 350). And, the other 14 of these cards were printed with just OLD MILL and PIEDMONT 350 backs. Checklist of the 48 subjects in the SL series is broken down with respect to the cards with HINDU vs. the no HINDU cards........ 34 subjects with brown HINDU, OLD MILL, and PIEDMONT 350 backs Bay Bernhard Breitenstein Carey Coles Cranston Ellam Foster Fritz Greminger Guiheen Helm Hickman Hooker Howard (Savannah) Jordan (Atlanta) Kiernan Lafitte Lipe Manion McCauley Molesworth Mullaney Otey Paige Perdue Persons Reagan Revelle Ryan Shaughnessy Sid Smith (Atlanta) Thornton Violat 14 subjects with only OLD MILL and PIEDMONT 350 backs Bastian Hart (Little Rock) Hart (Montgomery) King Lentz Miller Orth Rockenfeld Seitz Smith (Shreveport) Stark Thebo Westlake White (Houston) Stay tuned....additional info regarding these Southern Leaguer's will follow. Including the Brown OLD MILL backs of some of the SL cards. And, collecting the "Quadruplicate" sub-set of the twenty Southern Association cards. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 07-10-2017 at 03:57 PM. Reason: Correct typo. |
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Interesting Ted. I'm looking forward to reading your theory about why some SL were not printed with a Hindu back.
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As I mentioned before, there is so much info that I can't seem to get a good, solid grip on it all. One question I had is, on the SLers, are there factory variations as well as the three (or two) brand variations?
Any info is greatly appreciated and thank you for sharing all of this information that you've put together! -kin Quote:
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It's been a little while since we've updated or questioned the current Old Mill checklist. Here is a list of my current differences from my checklist and why. I'd post scans, but have been having some issues where I can't see my pictures but some others can. The problem came out of nowhere. I changed nothing on my end. PRINT GROUP ONE - 150/350 SERIES Joe Birmingham (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 4) (SGC shows 2) Fred Clarke - Batting (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 3) (SGC shows 2) Bob Ganley (Should not be on this list, being an elite 11) Cy Seymour - Batting (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 0) (SGC shows 1) Patrick Romolo posted a scan recently, also. PRINT GROUP TWO - 350 ONLY SERIES Josh Clark (Should be removed) (Both Pop Reports Show Zero) Unless a scan can be confirmed. T206Resource shows as confirmed, but I question it. Chief Myers - Fielding (Should Be Added) (PSA shows 13) (SGC shows 8)
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I have Imageevent host all my scans. I have never had any problems posting my scans. OK, it has been 3 years since I last updated that OLD MILL checklist in this main T206 REFERENCE thread. If you check-out my T206 Checklist Thread.... T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists I think you will find it's OLD MILL checklist is up-to-date. Here is the OLD MILL excerpt from it...... To date....311 subjects (Major Leaguers) have been confirmed. They are listed here with respect to their T206 series. 150/350 Series..................125 subjects Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Alperman Ames (portrait) Ball (New York) Bates Beaumont Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Bergen (bat) Birmingham Bowerman Bradley (portrait) Bransfield Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) Camnitz (arms folded) Chance (red portrait) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) Clarke (with bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (green) Cobb (bat on shoulder) Conroy (fielding) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Crawford (throwing) Criss George Davis (Chicago) Harry Davis (A's) Delehanty (Washington) Donlin (seated) Donovan (portrait) Doolin Dougherty (portrait) Durham Evers (portrait) Ferris Flick Gibson Gilbert Goode Griffith (portrait) Hahn Hemphill Herzog (New York) Hinchman (Cleveland) Isbell Jacklitsch Jennings (portrait) Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) Jordan (portrait) Joss (portrait) Keeler (portrait) Keeler (bat) Killian (pitching) Kleinow (bat) Kling Konetchy (glove high) Lajoie (portrait) Lajoie (throwing) Lake (New York) Leach (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Lobert Lumley Magee (portrait) Manning (bat) Marquard (hands at side) Mathewson (portrait) Mathewson (white cap) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) McIntyre (Brooklyn) McQuillan (ball in hand) Merkle (portrait) Murphy (throwing) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Overall (portrait) Owen Parent Pastorius Powell Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Schlei (catching) Schmidt (throwing) Seymour (batting) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Spade Stahl (no glove) Steinfeldt (portrait) Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan L Tannehill (Chicago) Tenney Tinker (portrait) Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wagner (bat on left) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Wilhelm (hands at chest) Williams Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) 350-only Series..................76 subjects Abbott Anderson Atz Batch Beck Bender (trees) Blackburne Bliss Brain Brown (Washington) Burke Burns Bush Campbell Casey Collins (A's) Congalton Cravath Cree Dahlen (Brooklyn) Dineen Joe Doyle (hands over head) Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Easterly Egan Elberfeld (portrait-Washington) Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Freeman Fromme Gasper Graham (Boston) Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hofman Hoffman (Providence) Hulswitt Jackson Kelley Kisinger Kleinow (New York-catching) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Kruger Lavender Livingstone McCormick Milligan Myers (fielding) Oakes Oberlin Parent Pfeister (seated) Purtell Quillen Rhoades (arm extended) Scott Smith (Buffalo) F. Smith (white cap) Stanage Stephens Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thomas Titus White (Buffalo) Wilson Wright Zimmerman 350/460 series..................58 subjects Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) Berger Bradley (bat) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Crawford (bat) Harry Davis (A's) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (Boston) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Louis (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifeld (bat) Magee (bat) Manning (pitching) McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Nichols (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Reulbach (no glove) Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (fielding) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) Doc White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (throwing) Willis (bat) Wiltse (pitching) CYoung (glove) 460-only Series..................46 subjects Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Ball (Cleveland) Bell (follow thru) Bergen (catching) Bescher (hands over head) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (hands over head) Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (bat) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Duffy Larry Doyle (portrait) Ford Frill Gandil Geyer Herzog (Boston) Howell (hand at waist) Hummel Lake, St. Louis (ball) Latham Marquard (pitching) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Needham Oldring (batting) Overall (blue sky) Payne Pfeffer Schaefer (Washington) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Schulte (back view) Seymour (portrait) Sheckard (glove) Smith (Brooklyn) Stovall (bat) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on shoulder) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) Six Super-Prints Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) Mathewson (dark cap) TED Z . |
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It's got to be some setting somewhere. I have a dedicated Microsoft web server, along with Microsoft SQL with GoDaddy. I don't have any issues with other websites or direct links to pictures. But when I add that link in a post, it doesn't show up in the preview or the post for me to see it, but supposedly other users are able to see the pictures, because they comment on them. But they don't show up for me. So I can't even check for error's before posting. I even tried different browsers. It's an odd issue, probably my computer. I had a similar problem years ago when I was hosting my own web servers in my house. I couldn't see pictures or load a web page if I tried to view it directly on that web server, but if I loaded the same page on my desktop, I could see everything. It ended up being a setting on the web server IIS. Internet connections, along with Server and Microsoft software updates, got too expensive, so now I just pay $250 a month with GoDaddy, and can run unlimited websites and databases, along with unlimited emails.
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T206 REFERENCE.....interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff
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..... Piedmont ........ Sweet Caporal .......... EPDG_______The "House" that created these Tobacco cards______UZIT ................ Hindu ....... American Beauty I have always been fascinated by the Joe Doyle Nat'L card and the T207 Chester "Red" Hoff cards. I've never owned the Doyle Nat'L card; however, I have handled 2 of them over these past 14 years in the process of ascertaining their legitimacy. One of them was legitimate. The other one was a FAKE, as indicated by a very subtle minute flaw. Anyhow, both them started pitching for the NY Highlanders. Both only 5' 9" and both had only 5-year careers. Here's where they differ....Joe Doyle lived to age 66, Chet Hoff lived to the grand old age of 107. Regarding their BB cards...... The Joe Doyle Nat'L card is the scarcest T206 card with only 9 of them (or perhaps 10) that are known (as of this date). The Chet Hoff card is by no means a rare card; however, it is one of the tougher cards to find in the T207 set. ------ Stay tuned for more on this subject. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 09-30-2021 at 07:02 PM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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