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PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7
PWCC has a generously graded 36 WWG Joe D, http://www.ebay.com/itm/142260836796 but I guess it looks better than it did before, http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...maggio-rookie/.
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wow! thats some ROI!
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So how did someone remove such a significant amount of age toning to render the untoned spots nearly invisible in this incarnation? A miracle of modern card doctoring.
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A Lady Macbeth job to be sure.
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Well, that stinks!
Wow!
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Had not noticed that the WWG Joe D as a PSA 7 sold recently in a Goldin Auction because I do not look at their auctions. Their scan was a bit misleading as it is washed out and the stain is not as obvious as it is in the PWCC scan. https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=25573
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Wwg
Whoever cleaned it up did the hobby a huge favor. Great card either way.
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HOLY MOLY. I'm in the wrong business. Definitely crazy ROI.
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Never Get Cheated!
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It takes a lot of balls to soak a $6600 card, but I guess it paid off in end.
Still a NM (7) and you can still see the remnants of the tape stains IS a little concerning. Wonder if that would be a (7) on any modern card with similar evidence of past taping on it. Looking at the REA auction, it was probably cleaned up just to get the (4). Now another round of cleaning got it to a (7). |
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Is there a company not out there that specifically cleans/fixes cards?
It's hard to say with this pic/card, but I would tend to believe it was professionally done?
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It may have been professionally done.
The question is why wasn't it "professionally" caught?
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I don't know much about restoration of cards, but to me this looks like the first card was up against some acidic paper and the two corners were protected. The result is toning, which happens in old prints that have been framed with non-acid free mats and backing. The process to remove this toning is well established and very common. If my assumptions are correct, it might not have taken a whole lot to remove the toning from this one.
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There's restoration companies that clean up posters, but that's more accepted in that field. They aren't cheap but I'm sure some of them would handle cards if given the business. This one certainly paid off for somebody. Likely not the guy who bought it from Goldin though. They'll probably be ecstatic if they break even at this point. |
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Because there is no money in that.
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Or another question should be who submitted the card and did they get a favor done. #PSAblewit
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http://www.gonewiththestain.com/
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Whoa. Incredible.
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Sorry, may be a stupid question, but how do we know these are the same 2 cards?
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WWG DiMaggio
I don't care about its past, it's a PSA 7 now and I'll take it!!!
It's like a fat broad that loses 75 pounds and becomes hot. |
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Just so you know those women that lose 75 pounds only look hot with clothes on. Last edited by bnorth; 02-03-2017 at 06:13 PM. |
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Lol
So true!!
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lolol
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Great card, and have zero problem with removing tape and stain residue If I had the cheddar, I'd still want to own it
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Right !!! It's a darn POP 1 PSA 7. None higher!!!
Why are we even attempting to knock this card? Any one of us would kill to have this. Last edited by aloondilana; 02-03-2017 at 07:12 PM. |
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Are we talking about shallow "Joe"
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Gee John I hope that is not how you came to own it.
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If the restoration is acceptable to the community then there should be no concern about disclosing it. But somehow i am guessing PWCC is not going to do that and the consignor would not want that.
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That is a great analogy, but in the eyes of some (like Peter) it would be like she lost that 75 pounds by having marathon sex with hundreds of different men. Yeah, she looks great, but she is tarnished. I happen to agree with you that I don't really care if the card was soaked so long as it grades. The Mona Lisa and the Sisteen Chapel get restored all the time. I don't think any of us would consider those works of art to be tarnished or less valuable because of it. After all aren't baseball cards just small pieces of art?
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There is no deception in art restoration. There is a world of deception in baseball card restoration/alteration, because rarely is any of it disclosed, and the whole point is to make a card look better and grade higher while deceiving the grading companies and potential buyers into thinking it's original.
As I said, if the restoration in this case is no big deal, then the consignor should have no objection to its disclosure. But something tells me the consignor would have been furious if PWCC had posted a picture of the SGC 50 in the auction and explained the work done by Towle or whoever did it. Can't have it both ways. If it's acceptable and even a good thing as some seem to be saying, you should have no objection to disclosure.
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i highly doubt this card was "just" soaked!
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Interesting debate. When I go to sell my house I'm hoping to brush over a couple of 100 flaws/issues. I won't actively deceive anyone, or make any affirmative claims that are false, but I'm going to do everything I can to make the house present well and detract attention away from its shortcomings. Might slap some paint on the side of the house that turns to hell after a few months for some odd reason. May scrub the garage door that always attracts some green mold crud. Does that make me a bad guy?
Did anyone ever answer how we know this is the same card? Last edited by Snapolit1; 02-04-2017 at 07:26 AM. |
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Vintage car restoration is acceptable (and disclosed) but collectors pay way way more for untouched, original paint, low mileage jewels that are "condition rarities". The value goes way down if a car(d) is sold as original and then you find out it was reconditioned. That, my friends, is fraud. I would have loved to own that DiMaggio if I could afford it but now it is a lie in a holder.
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its pretty obvious its the same card...just look at the before and after for christ sake?
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Who said it wasn't the same card? I agree, it's pretty obvious.
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The same discoloration marks on the front are still visible on both....even the cleaned up card. Also, same centering and same print/toning dots on back of card. |
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Maybe a little bleach, a little of this, a lot of that.......
Look at that REA version of the card. If those lighter spots are the original color of the card, then that's not "toning". That's a stain! I'd guess it was soaked out of a scrapbook. The "toning" is glue residue that seeped into the paper, and the lighter marks are one of three things. #1. Old tape that covered that area, and then deteriorated #2. Something similar to stamp mounts #3. The evidence of whatever tool was used to hold the card in place when it was taking it's chemical bath |
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You said among other(s) after that? Have 1 more cup, I am.
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