RE; Sgc re-slab into new holder from old??

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Posted By: Tony

I have a question. I am about to purchase some cards that are Sgc graded, but are in their older holder that show the 1- thru 100 grade only on their label, not their newer ones that now show that, along with the Psa equivalent # next to it as well.
If sent to Sgc for reslabbing into their new holders, would they keep the same grade asigned or would they need to regrade since all grading companies have gotten a bit more strict since these were originally slabbed.

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Posted By: leon

They will re-evaluate the cards and merit them on their standards today. You can tell them you want a minimum (the current grade) and they will only re-holder those cards that meet, or exceed, the old holder grade. So the short answer is ....they re-evaluate them and there is no guarantee. good luck...

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

To be consistent with the policy Leon described shouldn't they be willing to buy back a card THEY graded but they now feel was improperly graded?

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Posted By: FYS

They will revaluate the card and the do reserve the right to adjust the grade. If the grade goes down, a reimbursement will be given for the drop. The amount is at their descretion. I have read a couple of posts on this board describing the process.

I disagree with Leon on the grade limits. I think if a card is overgraded, they are going to ask to break it out and give you money for the difference. I do not think they will want the card on the market.

In any case, the guarantee/buyback program is all the more reason to buy SGC.

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Posted By: Chris McAlister

I have some sgc graded cards and based on the grading scale and descriptions there is no way they should grade as low as they are. Whats my worst case, I have to pay to have the same grade? (I'm talking about cracking the slabs and resubmitting them) Here is a possible problem, they are the only graded sgc examples, will I get a non-bias grade?, Or should I send them in their slabs and ask for a regrade? I like sgc and most of the time I agree with their grades. Thanks for any reply P.S. They were all graded in succession

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Posted By: FYS

It is a risk reward question you must answer yourself:

1. Submit in the slab and you will get your money back if any are found to be trimmed or a lower grade. Seriously doubt you will get any grade boosts.
2. Break out and submit. You then lose any chance for a refund if they are graded lower or are trimmed etc, but you have the potential of a grade increase. Sounds like you feel you actually may have a chance for an increase. Unless you have a great deal of experience with graded SGC slabs, I would not count on this.

My personal opinion would be to reslab (option #1).

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Posted By: leon

I have never seen them ask to crack an old SGC holder if the grade doesn't look up to snuff of current levels. I know 3 graders, the general partner, the admin person, and the VP of Operations...and have had numerous conversations with all of them. I have never heard of what you are talking about...unless they changed their policy recently. I have only submitted one old SGC holder to a crossover. It crossed over the same grade. This is it....regards

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Posted By: Chris McAlister

o.k. I will post a picture of one of the cards and give a description and tell me if the you feel the grade is correct. Good focus, no creasing or breaks in print, clean spot free back, edges straight and one corner(lower right) with a slight touch otherwise sharp corners.

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Posted By: FYS

Regarless of grade, I would get the card reholdered just to have the split grade flip.

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Posted By: FYS

Leon,

Here is a public example. Not a perfect match to the conversation, but it illustrates the fact that SGC does not want to ignore overgraded cards.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=153652&messageid=1118247064&lp=1118872575

SGC's Official Statement on regrade/reholders:

Cards on regrade or reholder service: SGC has the right to reevaluate the card and assign a newly established grade if SGC believes the card was originally misgraded. If the grade change results in a loss of value of the card, SGC will compensate the customer based upon market value as solely determined by SGC.

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Posted By: Josh K.

Im guessing the card above got no better than a 60, but most likely a 50. Two of the corners look a little soft.

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Posted By: Anson

With what I can see, I would give a 60. Of course, it's impossible to really grade the card without having it in hand. I find that many imperfections do not show up on scans or even quick naked-eye glances. Sometimes it takes me a minute or two to spot a small wrinkle.

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Posted By: Chris McAlister

It's a 40 vg. Does anyone think I have a chance of a better grade by sending the cards back in their slabs?

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Posted By: leon

I stand corrected on that. I guess I never heard them say anything about "downgrading" because it was never brought up in our conversations. The one time I had a card re-evaluated I (now) remember holding my breath when I got it back. Honestly I didn't remember that old thread until I just saw it again. AND it's only a month old....I think I need a break....their policy speaks for itself....regards

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Posted By: Josh K.

a 40 seems low, but its very easy to miss minor imperfections without looking through a 10x loop.

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Posted By: Chris McAlister

60 EX 5: 80/20 or better centering, minor rounding or fuzzing of corners, roughness or chipping along edge (no layering), one VERY slight surface or "spider" crease may exist on one side of the card, gloss may be lost from surface with some scratching that does not detract from the aesthetics of the card.
50 VG/EX 4: 85/15 or better centering, corners are slightly rounded with modest surface wear. Light hairline crease may show on one or both sides. A light tear or surface break may exist.
40 VG 3: 90/10 or better centering, corners more rounded--but not excessive, stronger creasing may exist. Poorer focus, registration, and discoloration, and staining are more noticeable.
Based upon SGC's own scale my card merits more than a 40.