Could be the first 1955 Mascot Dog Food Cards of Mantle and Berra. Any Info?

[orly57]

I respectfully disagree Peter. If that card were in a PSA holder, the registry guys would fight for it. Remember it only takes two. I personally know a guy at the top (let's say top 3) of the mantle registry who spends insane money on minor grade bumps. These guys take their registry seriously. A card like that would carry some serious weight (difficulty points or whatever the hell they call it) and could change rankings on the registry, which is EXTREMELY important to them. I can tell you that this guy I know wasn't very hot and heavy over it since psa didn't grade it. First was his concern about authenticity and the other is the fact he gets no points for it.

[CW]

I would have to agree that the card would've sold for more in a PSA holder, despite being the exact same card. How much more may be debatable and involve speculation.

Here's a question, err questions: if this card was graded by PSA, would it even be added to the Mickey Mantle master set registry? I ask because I just checked the master set checklist and I did not see the ultra rare 1961 Topps Dice Game Mantle on the master or "super" set checklists. Isn't that what matters, that the card becomes part of the player set registry? Does being graded by PSA automatically get it added to the Mantle player set registry? I ask these questions because I really don't know.

Also, there's a reason why PSA did not encaspsulate this card. Could their understanding of this set change in the future, thereby allowing them to grade the card? Sure. But this is just speculation. It may never get into a PSA holder, and if it did it would have to be added to the Mantle player set registry to garner the bigger bucks (or am I wrong about this?).

There is no denying that the registry is a powerful drug.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by orly57

A card like that would carry some serious weight (difficulty points or whatever the hell they call it) and could change rankings on the registry, which is EXTREMELY important to them.

Admittedly, I am not an expert on the PSA registry. But I do take a look sometimes. For individual player registries, aren't the iconic/mainstream/rookie cards weighted far more than obscure cards? That is what it seems like to me when I look at the registries.

[orly57]

While the 52 mantle gets 10 points and the 51 bowman gets 9, you will note that some of the tougher cards like the Briggs Meat (9), all 3 stahl Meyer (8), home run Derby (7) Yoo-hoo (8), Tip-Top (8), the Venezuela cards, etc are weighted extremely high. Compare that, for example, to the iconic 56 Topps which is weighted at a 4. I suspect they weigh the importance of the card as well as rarity.
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...position/13018

Chuck asks a great question. No, I do not believe that the card is added to the registry by mere virtue of having have been graded by PSA. However, PSA does welcome suggestions regarding which cards should be added on to these master sets. If you can get it into a psa holder, you then need to argue your case I guess.

[Bestdj777]

If PSA graded this, it would inevitably be included, but maybe just in the red category. It differs from the Dice Game in that it was actually issued, which I believe is why PSA ultimately left the Dice Game off. As for what goes in the red or black, I still can't detect a reason for some of the decisions (the Test Discs make sense for the same reason the Dice Game isn't included, but others less so). I believe I was copied on an email a while back where they explained that the points assigned are based on the value of the item/issue.

[CW]

Interesting. Thanks, Chris and Orlando.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

If PSA graded this, it would inevitably be included, but maybe just in the red category. It differs from the Dice Game in that it was actually issued, which I believe is why PSA ultimately left the Dice Game off. As for what goes in the red or black, I still can't detect a reason for some of the decisions (the Test Discs make sense for the same reason the Dice Game isn't included, but others less so). I believe I was copied on an email a while back where they explained that the points assigned are based on the value of the item/issue.

So this would be his top card then, no? $23,600 (which most think is artificially low because of the slab) is twice what you'd get for a '52 Topps Mantle in the same condition.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

So this would be his top card then, no? $23,600 (which most think is artificially low because of the slab) is twice what you'd get for a '52 Topps Mantle in the same condition.

Not necessarily. For an issue like this, I doubt the condition played much of a role at all in the price. So, while a 1.5 brought $23,000, it's unlikely that a 5.5 or a 10 would have brought that much more. Whoever bought this bought it because they believe it's their only shot at owning one. Meanwhile, a 1952 Topps on a 5.5 or 10 is worth substantially more than the $15000 or whatever a 1.5 brings these days, with a ten likely being a seven figure card. So, with their metric, the 52 Topps and, potentially a handful of other cards, would still outrank this one, not to downplay the aesthetics or significance of this card--it's a beautiful piece and one I would have loved to get.

[darwinbulldog]

Alright, good point.