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Fellas:
I just went through the thread and I apologize for not weighing in earlier. Here are some facts surrounding this: There is a back story to this piece that also needs to be told. The ticket came from a gentleman in the Detroit, MI area who was gifted the ticket from a woman who attended the game with her father at Navin Field. Following that game, her and her father were at The Fisher Building in Detroit where Babe Ruth was doing a radio interview and the woman was sitting next to Ruth's wife. They got to talking and the woman asked if Ruth would sign the ticket stub from the game that she attended where he hit his 700th home run. He obliged the request. The woman held the ticket until 1992, where she gave it to our consignor, as a gift. Both the ticket and the autograph were authenticated prior to it being encapsulated by JSA and SGC (independent of each other). Today, James Spence was at our offices doing an authentication. I had Bill Huggins pull the ticket and show it to him again, for a second opinion, along with the concerns set forth. After a thorough examination with loop and his exemplar file, Jimmy was again 100% certain that his original opinion was correct - this is an authentic Ruth. We also showed it to SGC's ticket authenticator again, who also was 100% sure of his original opinion of the authenticity of the ticket stub. I also personally spoke to the consignor again today, just to verify the facts of the story. The consignor is NOT in our hobby and is not a collector of sports memorabilia - just a baseball fan who lived near this lady and prior to her passing, she gave it to him. He has also offered to speak to anyone who would like any more details of the story. If you would like his name and number, email me privately, and I will get you the contact information. Thanks Josh Wulkan Vice President Huggins and Scott Auctions 1-866-462-2273 josh@hugginsandscott.com |
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FWIW, I believe the signature is good, as well.
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but chris williams thinks it is bogus and is disappointed in jimmy.
i'm torn. |
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babe ruth autographs have been so mismanaged, so misauthenticated and so corrupted, with exemplar files that contain who knows what.
it's went around the bend, past the point of no return. Only purging exemplar files and starting over with documented, or properly dated, or notarized, witnessed signatures of babe ruth from the beginning to the end can it hope to get back on track. he signed the vast bulk of his signatures over just 20 years and its all screwed up. some athletes have signed over 40, 50, 60 or 70 years and it's not screwed up like this. but a 20 year span he has dozens upon dozens upon dozens of different styles, slants, spacings, and sizes? why? we know why. If they can authenticate it they can prove it. they don't so what are they hiding? show us why this is good, or bad? we can do it for boxing, why can't they do it for baseball? Last edited by travrosty; 04-04-2013 at 09:01 PM. |
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To much money to be made, and has been made, by friends and friends of friends.
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Guys, he's not just handing consignor contact info out willy nilly. As he said, the consignor offered to speak to anyone who wants more details. Whether anyone else thinks opening that door is a bad idea is irrelevent if the consignor made the offer. And I'm sure that Josh has the good sense not to give his info to certain troublemaking bloggers who would misuse the info to hound the consignor to death.
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That's different.
Never mind. |
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The consignor told me that he would be more than willing to relay the back story of this ticket to anyone who wanted to know what it was. I relayed it in the description and on this board, but for some reason, that didn't seem to be enough information for Christopher to make him feel ok about this piece, so he asked for the contact information and I obliged (again, with the consignor's consent). |
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great question Travis! We don't ... and since he isn't even registered to bid with us, I felt I was going way above and beyond what I needed to do.
I pride myself on making sure we are one of the most "customer friendly" auction companies out there, so if I can do a little bit to make anyone who comes into a public forum and questions our items, I don't mind answering them and trying to make them feel comfortable with the items we run. |
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Here's another Babe Ruth. It is a forgery.
BabeH-100.jpg It was penned by the same person who penned the "Ruth" on the ticket up for auction on Huggins & Scott. The person who penned both of those Babe Ruth sigs (this one and the one on the ticket) resides in Michigan. |
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I guess we will never know for certain. What I can tell you is I signed my name 50+ times today at work (typical Friday's in my world) and I assure you the following:
1. My signature was a lot clearer in the AM then when I signed the last 2. There were no 2 that looked exact (similar but not exact) Just my .02 cents ( no change required ) Greg |
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