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Old 02-23-2015, 08:09 AM
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Default Early Hillerich bat

This are the earliest examples of a Hillerich bat that I have come across. I have two of these, one a salesman sample (green with rings) and a youth sized bat (also with rings), both Crackerjack models. Both have J Gillerich's in the label with Crackerjack No.2 underneath. Not sure why the name is Gillerich and not Hillerich.

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Old 02-23-2015, 08:18 AM
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because that's not a hillerich model
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That's just an H not a J and G.
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Obviously didn't have enough coffee this morning :-)

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obviously is an H..
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Thank you John and others for bumping the thread, keeping it alive, but I believe the Crackerjack bats post-date the "Falls City Slugger" by a long shot. Does anyone have a guess on the date for the posted Crackerjack bat? Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-23-2015, 10:15 PM
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The two bats posted would predate the J F Hillerich & Son label which began in 1897. Exactly how much they predate it, I'm not sure.

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Here's a 1922 ad featuring hillerichs crackerjack .. Same style font .. No rings present .


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This are the earliest examples of a Hillerich bat that I have come across. I have two of these, one a salesman sample (green with rings) and a youth sized bat (also with rings), both Crackerjack models. Both have J Gillerich's in the label with Crackerjack No.2 underneath. Not sure why the name is Gillerich and not Hillerich.

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the other two bats have H&B logos so they are after 1916/17 or that year
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Hey Jim,

I'm no expert, but I have followed the company's history, and here's a few things...

1. As can be seen in this ad from Crack of The Bat, the JF Hillerich & Son centerbrand was being used on bats as early as 1895. As the ad also states that he took Bud in as a partner in 1888, it's plausible that they were branded as such starting at this date. It did become official, as mentioned, in 1897 with the official 1$ sale of half of their building to Bud.

2. Also according to The Louisville Slugger Story by Bob Hill, it's mentioned that no person in particular is responsible for the name "Louisville Slugger". It's thought that players who used the bat named it. It makes no mention of the term used as a nickname for Browning. It mentions his known sobriquet as "the old gladiator". This is according to the year 2000 of course, so you may be correct and have updated info from a source I'm not aware of.

3. With 1894 being the year the name "Louisville Slugger" was patented, and with the JFH & S centerbrand being used as early as 1895, it's more than likely correct that Duffy did use the bat shown and mentioned as 1894, with similar centerbrand to the dated 1895 bat in the photo posted.

I just wanted to share this info. It's interesting to think how many questions in the hobby we'd love answered, but sadly, the information is lost to time.

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There are a lot of different things to read on the company and some are not consistent with each other their own website history also follows different avenues.

I have collected and brought and sold bats for over 40 years.
I do not think that it is possible to find a falls city bat as the term was not used until after the period they were made.

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Very neat write-up, any idea from how long Hillerich operated from the 216 First Street address? I have one source that suggests 1875 until ~1901. This address is about 0.7 miles from current location on 800 W Main St.
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Very neat write-up, any idea from how long Hillerich operated from the 216 First Street address? I have one source that suggests 1875 until ~1901. This address is about 0.7 miles from current location on 800 W Main St.
Hey Joe, the dates you list are correct, except the address itself differs. 118 S. First Street is the number listed for the location, with the previous establishment situated at 22 Clay Street in downtown Louisville. This info - including photos, again comes from Crack of The Bat - The Louisville Slugger Story. Furthermore, it was only Bud and the bat operation that left the First Street address in 1901, the office, and the rest of the woodworking operations remained there until an unspecified date. The photo of Bud, his father and workers, is taken in front of the first street address. The new factory in 1901 is the decorated building in the second photo, located at 729 S Preston Street.
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