Pwcc

[ls7plus]

My two experiences with PWCC have been quite satisfactory, winning a '39 V351 Williams rookie and a '68-'70 Partridge Meats Bench for well under my maximum bids. Small sample size, I know, but just sayin.

Best regards to all,

Larry

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

My two experiences with PWCC have been quite satisfactory, winning a '39 V351 Williams rookie and a '68-'70 Partridge Meats Bench for well under my maximum bids. Small sample size, I know, but just sayin.

Best regards to all,

Larry

Thanks Larry, maybe you can PM Pete U. and share the news with him....

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Thanks Larry, maybe you can PM Pete U. and share the news with him....

no need to pm me...I can read. how much proof do you need, KEVIN...before you believe there are certain sellers that cheat! Just because they don't cheat all the time...doesn't take away the fact that THEY CHEAT!!!!

If you don't mind being cheated...then bid on their stuff.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

...before you believe there are certain sellers that cheat!

think this is an unfair statement. doubt very seriously brent is cheating.

are there people who consign w/ pwcc and bid up their own product, sure. hard to stop that as it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out how to do that.

but to insist that brent has something to do w/ it and w/ zero proof to back it up, i think is completely unfair.

now before you throw out the "turning a blind eye" argument, again...ya need proof. I've only asked him to check into 2 auctions that I was serious on and got back to me w/I an hour. you'd be surprised at the amount of people that only need a few items and would only use ebay for a small fraction to fill these holes, so their bid history of 50%+ seems suspicious.

retractions? different story, but I know he booted 2 folks last auction for the number of retractions they had.

without any evidence we can speculate all day long and on every topic.

not defending him, but unless there is absolute certainty or an ebay list surfaces similar to the maestro one, it's hard to call him a "cheat", imo.

flame on.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

think this is an unfair statement. doubt very seriously brent is cheating.

are there people who consign w/ pwcc and bid up their own product, sure. hard to stop that as it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out how to do that.

but to insist that brent has something to do w/ it and w/ zero proof to back it up, i think is completely unfair.

now before you throw out the "turning a blind eye" argument, again...ya need proof. I've only asked him to check into 2 auctions that I was serious on and got back to me w/I an hour. you'd be surprised at the amount of people that only need a few items and would only use ebay for a small fraction to fill these holes, so their bid history of 50%+ seems suspicious.

retractions? different story, but I know he booted 2 folks last auction for the number of retractions they had.

without any evidence we can speculate all day long and on every topic.

not defending him, but unless there is absolute certainty or an ebay list surfaces similar to the maestro one, it's hard to call him a "cheat", imo.

flame on.

Pretty good job of defending him...without defending him

[ullmandds]

but you have a point...I misspoke. some sellers allow/do not make a very good effort to prevent cheating.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Pretty good job of defending him...without defending him

i guess. just posting my factual experiences. the point stands true though, correct?

(and nothing consigned w/ him. and the two things that did peak my interest, no longer do as they have already surpassed my price point)

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no need to pm me...I can read. how much proof do you need, KEVIN...before you believe there are certain sellers that cheat! Just because they don't cheat all the time...doesn't take away the fact that THEY CHEAT!!!!

If you don't mind being cheated...then bid on their stuff.

They have been cheating as long as there have been auctions, going back to when I first started getting involved in auctions. Shill bidding is the second oldest profession. It didn't take me long to distance from all auctions.

[Edwolf1963]

I like PWCC, have had good experiences but this is the stuff I have a hard time putting my mind around. I realize its hard to police all their auctions for shilling/fraud, but wouldn't something like this example (and there are several BTW) raise a number of red flags immediately? Same new/relatively low feedback bidder, running same grade card up well over VCP recent average or max, and 13 bid retractions within 6 mos! I've been on eBay for 15+ years and I've never had 1.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...4AAOSwBnVW-ANt

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

I like PWCC, have had good experiences but this is the stuff I have a hard time putting my mind around. I realize its hard to police all their auctions for shilling/fraud, but wouldn't something like this example (and there are several BTW) raise a number of red flags immediately? Same new/relatively low feedback bidder, running same grade card up well over VCP recent average or max, and 13 bid retractions within 6 mos! I've been on eBay for 15+ years and I've never had 1.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...4AAOSwBnVW-ANt

I also bid quite a bit with PWCC and have a lot of respect for them. This kind of stuff is lunacy. How is e-bay allowing this person to still have an account? Sure, PWCC should block them, but why isn't e-bay doing something about this. Probation? 3 month suspension? Black star next to their name?

I review most of my auctions on PWCC. 99.9% of them I am very happy with. If there is someone like this over-bidding me, then I would personally send them an e-mail. Brent's group has always been very responsive.

[itjclarke]

I haven't seen it mentioned yet... but these threads and observations, though good in intent, do give a nice blue print for anyone who wants to actively scare bidders/competition away from a listing. Just sayin.

I've bought over a dozen items from PWCC and with exception of one, do not feel I've overpaid (often backed up by subsequent sales). Their service (especially packaging and responding to my questions/requests) has been great in my experience... and though I do not think for a second there is not at least some funny business that goes on within their offerings, I do not think this is unique to PWCC, Probstein. I'm sure it happens on many other consignment type sales (especially AH's that have been outed), and/or even when the seller is the card's owner.

Not sure what the solutions are, but I've got to think it would be difficult to monitor and then make decisions in real time (blocking bidders, etc) when you've got thousands of listings. I've never sold, so don't have the most informed POV. Seems it may be good if eBay were able to police this, perhaps in the form of warnings for excessive retractions, returns, non payments, and suspending bidders when it seems appropriate.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no need to pm me...I can read. how much proof do you need, KEVIN...before you believe there are certain sellers that cheat! Just because they don't cheat all the time...doesn't take away the fact that THEY CHEAT!!!!

If you don't mind being cheated...then bid on their stuff.

I've won a couple of differnet cards off of them in the few years I've been collecting.

PSA 4 Doc Crandall cap with portrait
PSA 2 Joe Tinker batting

The prices on these were pretty good. However I often see plenty of cards they have for sale that are........... let's just say the opposite of good. And they're nothing special. I'm talking common commons going for well above what a sane person would pay.

I glanced at the recent listings and it appears as though there's NOTHING (in my price range) that I would consider a good deal. And there's still plenty of time for the prices to get crazier.

[bobbyw8469]

I glanced at the recent listings and it appears as though there's NOTHING (in my price range) that I would consider a good deal. And there's still plenty of time for the prices to get crazier.

Then you are looking at the wrong cards. I know for a FACT that there is a $500 card that is currently at $98. I'm sure there are others, but I am watching one in particular.

[Snapolit1]

My experiences with PWCC have generally been fine.

Reading all these posts I was intrigued enough to investigate the bidders who have now topped me on 4 pricey items in tonight's auction, including some Goudeys and Ruths.

The four sellers have bid on PWCC with 44%, 46%, 77% and 77% of their recent bids. And they each have many hundreds of feedbacks.

Am I accusing anyone of wrongdoing? No. Do these numbers strike me as a little peculiar? Yep they do. Are a lot of other quality sellers.

[Snapolit1]

We can all speculate till the cows come home. I'm convinced that most of the shenanigans that go on are large sellers who agree among themselves that they'll list on well known web sites and then run each other's things up. You rub my back and I'll rub yours. And if you end up holding the bag when the music ends we'll make believe it never happened.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

My experiences with PWCC have generally been fine.

Reading all these posts I was intrigued enough to investigate the bidders who have now topped me on 4 pricey items in tonight's auction, including some Goudeys and Ruths.

The four sellers have bid on PWCC with 44%, 46%, 77% and 77% of their recent bids. And they each have many hundreds of feedbacks.

Am I accusing anyone of wrongdoing? No. Do these numbers strike me as a little peculiar? Yep they do. Are a lot of other quality sellers.

It's hard to say how much of a factor bid % is although I completely agree that you cannot discount it. The reason I'm saying this is that on ebay these days, there are very few auctions that start from 99 cents anymore, and especially those that list quality items. PWCC is basically an event auction every month. I also consistently bid on Ruth and Gehrig cards, and to be honest, I bid on PWCC auctions every month. There is no other seller on ebay that I bid so consistently like this for, and I am sure there are others like me.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Then you are looking at the wrong cards. I know for a FACT that there is a $500 card that is currently at $98. I'm sure there are others, but I am watching one in particular.

See my thread on the Ed Killian that ended for an asinine $76 when it was miss-labeled. That's not a ridiculous price?

[Snapolit1]

Glad the auction ended after midnight EST. Was asleep by 11 and saved myself a lot of money.

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

My two experiences with PWCC have been quite satisfactory, winning a '39 V351 Williams rookie and a '68-'70 Partridge Meats Bench for well under my maximum bids. Small sample size, I know, but just sayin.

Best regards to all,

Larry

I have had some decent experiences with PWCC also, I think the guy that runs it is legit but the people the consign are the ones who run the auctions up.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by sjim8660

I have had some decent experiences with PWCC also, I think the guy that runs it is legit but the people the consign are the ones who run the auctions up.

As long as the consigners are assessed fees on the their own cards they 'won' thats fine...if they just get a do over then thats a problem to me..

[Leon]

Please help me understand why you don't understand this sentence written at the top of every page in bold letters?

If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post.

Originally Posted by sjim8660

I have had some decent experiences with PWCC also, I think the guy that runs it is legit but the people the consign are the ones who run the auctions up.

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by Leon

Please help me understand why you don't understand this sentence written at the top of every page in bold letters?

If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post.

Jimmy Steele, I forgot, I am still fairly new to this forum, no need to get rude.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sjim8660

Jimmy Steele, I forgot, I am still fairly new to this forum, no need to get rude.

I doubt Leon was being rude, just one of the few rules taken seriously here.