Is this planned?

[iwantitiwinit]

So I was looking at 52 Topps on ebay and came across this Mantle:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...3D281926611053

It got me thinking. Is it possible the seller makes a totally fake Mantle, I mean not even close using maybe a printer and gluing a printed copy on some stock and then spends $10 and submits to PSA knowing he is going to get a questionable authentic flip. That is his objective simply get the flip. He then lists on ebay thinking given the price of a true authentic 52 Mantle at say 5K that someone will buy it for a decent price with the hopes they can submit to say SGC and possibly get that authentic grade. The potential buyers spend say $100+ to possibly make $5000. If so its an ingenious plan. He doesnt even have to lie in the listing just show it was returned as questionable.

The bids are already over $100.

What do you think is it plausible? Probable?

The seller even responds to a question that states its fake and the seller states he never said it was real.

BTW if that is his plan it is ingenious but it's a dick move.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

I think you may have just given ppl some ideas :/ but I agree and have thought that as well...


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[RaidonCollects]

I'm sure that's true.

Not enough people know that questionable authenticity = fake.

Owen

[AGuinness]

I've never submitted a card to PSA, but it strikes me that's the point where the plan may have trouble, thanks to the declared value. It seems that ANY 52T Mantle is going for thousands, so starting with that assumption:

Option #1: submit the fake Mantle with the declared value of $2k-$4,999. That's $85, so unless PSA refunds your money on declared value when/if a card doesn't meat that declaration, the bar is set at $85+expenses. Surely not impossible to turn a good profit, but I would think a scammer would have to do pretty good to make the scheme worth it.

Option #2: submit it at a lower level, since you know it's gong to get the questionable flip. That's as low as $10, but isn't that tacitly admitting to PSA that it's a fake?

I also wonder if somebody did this, and potentially had success, how many fake cards would it take from the same person for PSA to recognize the pattern...

[weilervintage]

I'm currently working on building the '52 Topps set - getting all the common and semi-stars done first.

My largest worry (and sure I'm not the only one) when I start working on the Mantle, Mays, Mathews, etc...; how hard is it going to be to complete with authentic cards because of all the fakes & reprints that have flooded the market in the last handful of years.

It seems you can't even trust what's "graded" anymore on any era of cards. Whether it's people cracking them open and swapping cards or the grading companies not even catching the fakes because they are starting to look so authentic, if you will.

[irv]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

So I was looking at 52 Topps on ebay and came across this Mantle:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...3D281926611053

It got me thinking. Is it possible the seller makes a totally fake Mantle, I mean not even close using maybe a printer and gluing a printed copy on some stock and then spends $10 and submits to PSA knowing he is going to get a questionable authentic flip. That is his objective simply get the flip. He then lists on ebay thinking given the price of a true authentic 52 Mantle at say 5K that someone will buy it for a decent price with the hopes they can submit to say SGC and possibly get that authentic grade. The potential buyers spend say $100+ to possibly make $5000. If so its an ingenious plan. He doesnt even have to lie in the listing just show it was returned as questionable.

The bids are already over $100.

What do you think is it plausible? Probable?

The seller even responds to a question that states its fake and the seller states he never said it was real.

BTW if that is his plan it is ingenious but it's a dick move.

Definitely probable, and most likely the exact reason.

Originally Posted by weilervintage

I'm currently working on building the '52 Topps set - getting all the common and semi-stars done first.

My largest worry (and sure I'm not the only one) when I start working on the Mantle, Mays, Mathews, etc...; how hard is it going to be to complete with authentic cards because of all the fakes & reprints that have flooded the market in the last handful of years.

It seems you can't even trust what's "graded" anymore on any era of cards. Whether it's people cracking them open and swapping cards or the grading companies not even catching the fakes because they are starting to look so authentic, if you will.

You mean like post 18 in this thread?

I assume it's a joke as I think the poster is well known around here and other places. Just stirring the pot imo.
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=217479&page=2

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by RaidonCollects

I'm sure that's true.

Not enough people know that questionable authenticity = fake.

Owen

We discussed a similar situation on the post war board a while back. Is it a fact that questionable authenticity means definitely fake? If so they should be more clear. Many may take that as PSA was unable to determine authenticity and there is still a possibility it's real.

[irv]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

We discussed a similar situation on the post war board a while back. Is it a fact that questionable authenticity means definitely fake? If so they should be more clear. Many may take that as PSA was unable to determine authenticity and there is still a possibility it's real.

That's how I read it.

If it's a known fake, it should be stated as such and/or not slabbed.

[TexasLeaguer]

Originally Posted by irv

You mean like post 18 in this thread?

I assume it's a joke as I think the poster is well known around here and other places. Just stirring the pot imo.
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=217479&page=2

Nope, that card is real and the grade is assigned for the quality of the autograph but not the card. You can have a high-grade autograph on a low-grade card.

[irv]

Originally Posted by TexasLeaguer

Nope, that card is real and the grade is assigned for the quality of the autograph but not the card. You can have a high-grade autograph on a low-grade card.

I just learned that in another thread. Something I wasn't aware of but now am.

Thanks.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

So I was looking at 52 Topps on ebay and came across this Mantle:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...3D281926611053

It got me thinking. Is it possible the seller makes a totally fake Mantle, I mean not even close using maybe a printer and gluing a printed copy on some stock and then spends $10 and submits to PSA knowing he is going to get a questionable authentic flip. That is his objective simply get the flip. He then lists on ebay thinking given the price of a true authentic 52 Mantle at say 5K that someone will buy it for a decent price with the hopes they can submit to say SGC and possibly get that authentic grade. The potential buyers spend say $100+ to possibly make $5000. If so its an ingenious plan. He doesnt even have to lie in the listing just show it was returned as questionable.

The bids are already over $100.

What do you think is it plausible? Probable?

The seller even responds to a question that states its fake and the seller states he never said it was real.

BTW if that is his plan it is ingenious but it's a dick move.

I had already mentioned this scenario awhile ago.....heck just saying you found an old mantle beat up in some old house gets you 30 bucks on ebay...

can turn a dollar into 30 dollars pretty fast......when you sumit a fake mantle to psa what do you say the value is grade wise...? if its walk through you spending a few hundred if your value is over $5000....if your value is $100 then they know that you know its fake..