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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Vikes066: |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
Hal, Lee asked this question before and he never answered. I jsut asked again and am awaiting a response. It would seem that a lot people would be interested in who this anonymous poster is. And unitl you clearly identify yourself, you really have no credibility here. The very thing you question about Bushing. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
I don't think Vikes should reveal his identity, as it seems according to Jay that Mastro will shut off the accounts of those who criticize their policies. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: john/z28jd
I thought i knew Jay and Lee pretty well,so im a little confused as to why you think their reputations have anything to do with mastro or anyone else just mentioned? |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: andy becker
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Lee Behrens
Aaron, |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
"I thought i knew Jay and Lee pretty well,so im a little confused as to why you think their reputations have anything to do with mastro or anyone else just mentioned?" |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: john/z28jd
Im not going to read them but the point of my response was that its not asking too much to know who someone is before you believe something they say.Especially if what they say affects you somehow.I wouldnt ask for someones life story but i would want to know why i should believe them over someone who is trusted or known. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Peanut Oil? What a maroon. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
"Im not going to read them but the point of my response was that its not asking too much to know who someone is before you believe something they say." |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: leon
I am not sure why Vikes doesn't want to be known either. If he is afraid of being banned there are probably many of his friends that could bid in the auctions for him. I think when we make accusations and state derrogatory facts we should be known. I believe in the court system the accused has a right to know their accusor (but I am 99% sure a lawyer will correct me on that one). At any rate I do agree that we all need to come out in the open with our identities in these kinds of threads. For the record I bid in most of the auctions, Mastro, Lipset, Hunt, Sotheby's, Robert Edwards, 19th Century etc....and will continue to do so. I have never been given anything but great service from all of them. I am a little glad that I don't collect autographs or memorabelia though.... regards all |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
Well said, Vikes. And yes, you have been incredibly even-tempered in your responses to other posters--oddly robotic even! (Where as I'm more of the "fire away" type of poster.) If people are trying to attack the facts you've presented by attacking your irrelevant credibility it's simply a confirmation that they have nothing else to attack you with. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: rob
Hey Vikes, what does FACTS stand for? You always have it in capital letters so i assume it is an acronym. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: vikes066
FACTS is not an acronym. The CAPITAL letters are used for emphasis purposes only the same way you might use some inflection or emphasis in a spoken word form. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: leon
I am not sure why I am even posting in this thread but it does peak my curiosity. I understand your points and they are well taken. At the same time if I came on here and only stated some damning facts about you wouldn't you want to know who I am? Again, you are absolutely correct about yourself being civil and so forth and that's always appreciated. But I still ask the question "wouldn't you want to know who's saying stuff about you?" best regards |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: vikes066
Leon, |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Wesley
Vikes, |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: mcavoy
Just posting from my a$$: |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
Oh boy, contacted by the famous columist Mr O'Keefe. This tells me everything I need to know about his journalistic integrity. I've heard Planich's side of the story and I've heard SCDA/Bushing's side. Does he bother to contact me or anyone else that made this trip? Of course not, he contacts some anonymous person on this board that will back up O'Keefe's point of view on this subject. There's some good objective journalism for ya. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: vikes066
Would the FACTS change if my name was: |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
Vikes, you are awesome. I am starting to wish I was you! |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Lee Behrens
Would this board have the creditablity it does if we all posted anonomously, whether factual or not? This board has became the power it has because of the people stepping forward not hiding. I do not understand how anyone can be taken seriously when in hiding whether it involves FACTS or not. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: leon
Vikes, |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: vikes066
What part of I am not a relevant part of this discussion do you not understand? You and Jay both confuse me. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Josh K.
Vikes - obvious Minn. Vikings fan. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Cap
I have been reading this with some interest and I have come to the conclusion that Pat Buchanon was actually 'Deep Throat' and I'm still working on who the second gun man was in Texas that ended the life of a young President. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: vikes066
Honestly what difference would it make if we were speaking about facts? Nothing would change no matter who reported it. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Lee Behrens
For one thing Leon's question needs to be answered. and my initial statement about the about the board being creditable be cause we post who we are. If all posted as Bozo the Clown, Superman, Shrek and the such would the board have any creditablity, NO!!!! |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
I was finally contacted by the famous Michael O'Keefe. It's really sad that it took a post from an anonymous person bragging about his being emailed by O'Keefe and me mentioning that he had not contacted any of the people that went to Chicago to finally contact me or anyone else. He was obviously aware of the whole situation, yet didn't bother to contact any of us until now. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Lee Behrens
So Vikes will be the tell us the facts and only the facts, I think that was a line in a TV show. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
"I personally feel that if you are not willing to ID yourself that your posts should be deleted whether factual or not." |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
let's try to make this as simple as possible so that vikes, Aarona nd everyone else can understand this: |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
Aaron, I'm staying out that. And why do you value my opinion so much? I'm obviously wrong, so it shouldn't matter to you. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: leon
Since I am in the fray and bored. If I were the moderator I would NOT delete anyone's posts that wanted to remain anonymous UNLESS they were spouting hypothesis or unknowns or worse yet, lies. Vikes has not done any of that. He has also not made any personal attacks and has been civil. Do I think he should be made known? Yes? Would I require it? No.....regards all |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
Leon, this begs the question, has anyone double checked vikes facts to make sure that they are indeed facts? |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
I should also point out that I hate the "slippery slope" argument about anything, but all you have to do is look how this board changed. This is not a dig at Bill, this is still great board, but it lost some of it focus becuase things were allowed and we hit that slippery slope. We let vikes slide even though he is civil, where do we draw the line? We have a very firm line that is already in place. If he doesn't want to play by those rules, that is his choice, but he should not be allowed to post either. I'm not for censorship, but we are all known here and there is no reason for him to hide if all he is doing is reporting the facts. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I also think Vikes should "out" himself. Otherwise he can continue to report the FACTS without repercussion if he is wrong. Robert Plancich stated some things here as fact that he was wrong on, but at least we know who he is, and we also know his willingness to go straight to the source to try and get his information. Vikes on the otherhand is unwilling to discuss his FACTS with the men he has accused of wrongdoing even though I gave him the information he needs in an email. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
"Aaron, I'm staying out that." |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
"let's try to make this as simple as possible so that vikes, Aarona nd everyone else can understand this:" |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Wesley
If Vikes said it, I would ask to see a scan of the front and back. On the other hand, if Pete said it, I would just accept that the card exists. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: al davis
in some ways might it not be better to remain anonymous and be judged solely by our logic and reason? just because someone has a certain name, profession, or group of associates doesn't necessarily influence my judgement of his ability to explain reality. maybe if i knew that vikes was some nose-picking creep from the backwoods i might foolishly ignore his credible arguments. being anonymous certainly removes the built-in prejudice that many people seem to have. why do we have to treat everything on this board as though we are delivering closing arguments in front of the Supreme Court? we should be grateful that we have the latitude to express ourselves, whoever we may be. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
Bu Wesley you didn't answer the question. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: leon
I hate it when I feel the need to come back to a thread and respond when I have told myself I wouldn't. So far, from what I have read, all Vikes has done is stated public knowledge. To my knowledge, based on what I have read and heard, they are FACTS. If I didn't think so then yes I would have an issue with him. Can someone show me anything he has stated on this board that is not a FACT? regards |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Aaron
"I hate it when I feel the need to come back to a thread and respond when I have told myself I wouldn't. So far, from what I have read, all Vikes has done is stated public knowledge. To my knowledge, based on what I have read and heard, they are FACTS." |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: Wesley
Aaron, I misread your fact situation. Yes if vikes has images and provenance, of course, I would take it as true. If he merely came here and stated that he has seen this uncataloged card without the images, I would ask him for the images. On the other hand, if Pete or someone else that is knowlegeable about caramel cards has seen the card, I would take his word about the existence of the Cobb card even without the images. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: PASJD
I don't care who Vikes is (any more than I care that Dave Bushing didn't finish his dissertation ). If he wants to say so fine, if he doesn't, I am content to read the substance of what he says and respond accordingly. If Bill wants to implement a rule that everyone here has to post by first and last name, that is his judgment, but until he does, I don't have a problem with it. On the other hand if anyone doesn't already know who I am and cares -- pretty unlikely I would guess as to the "cares" -- I am not hiding behind my initials, just liked the screen name. |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: davidcycleback
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: J Levine
I understand...the whole board is just voices in my head...everyone is me, I am everyone... |
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Vikes066 - who are you?
Posted By: jay behrens
Aaron, if you don't get the example about the credibility of vikes being anonymous, then you truly are clueless. Just becuase vikes claims to state nothing but facts doesn't make him a credible source. I doubt anyone here would take his word that he found an e104-3 Cobb even if he onwed the card. He would need to prove it. Pete C on the other hand has the respect and crediblity to make this same claim without showing the card or other eveidence. |
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