T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?

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Posted By: Jeff S.

As many of you have probably noticed, Mastro has an ad on the back cover of the current Old Cardboard touting a PSA 5 T206 Wagner to be auctioned Aug. 1st. To my knowledge, this is the finest example to be publicly offered in years besides the Gretsky PSA 8. With that recent BVG 1 catching $317K+, any thoughts on whether this could break $1mill? It's a diamond cut, and noted as such with the (MC), but definitely a beaut. Nice to see a strong mid-grade for a change.

I have no affiliation with the card, its owner, or the auction house whatsoever.

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Posted By: Tony Andrea

No doubt, that card will break the $1 million dollar barrier once the juice is factored in.

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Posted By: JimB

I would be shocked if it did not break a million. My guess would be in the 1.3-1.5 range. But who knows with a card like this. It is the best to be offered in a long time.
JimB

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Posted By: Brian

Whoever buys it will surely be influential I couldn't resist.

I really like the look of this card. Its a beaut.

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Posted By: John

I'll take the under I'll say 675k tops....unless Mastro has discovered the fuel surcharge??

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Posted By: Matt

Here is a listing of the other featured vintage card lots:

• A 1915 E145-2 Cracker Jack #103 Joe Jackson – PSA NM 7;
• A 1923 Walter Mails Playing Card complete set (57) with box and instructions - #1 on the PSA Set Registry;
• A 1908 E102 “Set of 25” Ty Cobb from the Lionel Carter Collection – SGC 80 EX/MT 6;
• A 1917 E135 Collins-McCarthy #147 Babe Ruth – SGC 88 NM/MT 8 “1 of 1”;
• A 1914 H813 Boston Garter (Color) Tris Speaker – SGC Authentic;
• A 1933 Goudey Sports Kings complete uncut sheet (24 cards) featuring Ruth, Cobb, Thorpe and Grange;
• A 1962 Gehl’s Ice Cream Roger Maris “Gold Mine Pal” complete set;
• A 1950-51 “Toleteros” Josh Gibson – SGC 80 EX/NM 6;
• A 1933 Goudey complete uncut sheet (24 cards) featuring five Hall of Famers;
• A 1911 E137 Zeenut PCL Buck Weaver Rookie card – SGC 88 NM/MT 8 “1 of 1”;
• Collection of 1902-11 W600 Sporitng Life New York Yankees cabinets (16 different) including Chesbro, Keeler, Griffith and Chase;
• A 1911 D310 Pacific Coast Biscuit Buck Weaver Rookie card – SGC 60 EX 5 “1 of 1”;
• A 1952 Topps #261 Willie Mays – SGC 96 MINT 9 “1 of 1”;
• A 1953 Topps #82 Mickey Mantle – SGC 92 NM/MT+ 8.5;
• A 1933/34 Goudey #106 Napoleon Lajoie – PSA EX-MT 6;
• A 1937 O-Pee-Chee #118 Joe DiMaggio – PSA NM-MT 8;
• A 1910 D322 Tip Top Bread Honus Wagner – SGC 70 EX+ 5.5 “1 of 2”;
• A 1909-11 T206 White Border Ty Cobb, red portrait with “Ty Cobb” reverse – SGC 30 GD 2;
• A 1910 E90-2 American Caramel Pittsburgh Pirates – SGC-graded complete set (11);
• A 1911 T205 Gold Border R. Hoblitzell “No Stats” variation – PSA EX-MT 6 “1 of 3”;
• A 1909-11 T206 White Border framed near set (521) including “Magie” variation;
• A 1910 E125 American Caramel Die-Cuts Honus Wagner throwing – PSA EX-MT 6 “1 of 1”;
• A high grade 1953-1969 Topps baseball unopened wax packs run (17 different) – all GAI graded.

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Posted By: paulstratton

Anyone have a pic?

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Posted By: Tim

I bet this card goes for $1.6-$1.8 w/ BP. The number of buyers for a card like this are few obviously, but with nothing close to this card being listed recently I see it selling strong.

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Posted By: MikeU

Without seeing a scan, I say it will close under $1M ($925K). Leon - This hammer price would be a pretty cool board contest?

Who is the consigner?

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Posted By: peter ullman

I will guess 1.15 million with juice.

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Posted By: Jeff W.

I am blown away that they are offering a near set 39/40 of N321's. Thats pretty incredible and I didn't think that a near set even existed!

Jeff

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Posted By: JP

Does anyone know if the Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back is the one with "J H" written in pen on the top of the back? Images anywhere?

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Posted By: Paul

What if some new influential collectors get involved? No telling what the price will be.

crap, just noticed Brian beat me to it.

I will estimate 1.5 million (picture Doctor Evil) dollars.

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Posted By: pas

appears some influential folks are getting out, as well as in

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Posted By: JimCrandell

I would think Don Louchios would be a near certain and strong bidder. Likely the Dreiers are strong bidders. Perhaps Ireland and Spence as well as other "influential buyers".

Price with juice around $1.5mm.

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Posted By: Dave F

Jim-

If you decide to go after it, I'll chip in 2 g's.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Dave,

I'm just a poor boy is a less affluent town than Alpharetta--this is way out of my league.

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Posted By: Alan

I'm voting for Gary Cypress, if he doesn't own one yet.

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Posted By: paulstratton

...or maybe the owner downgraded and plans on pocketing a cool million after all is said and done.

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Posted By: Dave F

Well thats the bigger question for Jim and/or Bruce to find out. Which "shark" is it that is selling this Wagner and getting out? Or was this owned by one of these lucky fellows that found it in the barn?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Is it appropriate to be naming names on a public chatboard? Maybe some or all of these collectors would prefer privacy.

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Posted By: Dave F

Barry...

No, I really don't think it's appropriate. But, I don't think they could get a name either.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Barry,

By listing your sets on the PSA Set Registry makes it public. The names I am mentioning are not big surprises--its who anyone that is knowledgeable about what is going on in the hobby would come up with.

Dave,

I don't know who the seller is--Peter do you know?

Jim

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Posted By: barrysloate

Don't most people list on the registry with a pseudonym and not their real name? It may not matter, but these collectors might not read the board, and they may find out second hand that they are being discussed. It's a privacy and security issue, too.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Most list their sets under their name or if the do not their real name ias widely known.

All influential collectors I know list their sets with their names.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim- fair enough, and that is one way to look at it.

But none of these collectors posts on the board, that's all. Is it possible to have anonymity and have sets on the registry at the same time?

Perhaps not, and maybe I am being too protective.

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Posted By: Dave F

For the love of all cards in high grade, snap out of it Jim. Your repeating yourself!

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Posted By: brock

Any one know if their is a back door to view the auction like last time.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

I know--what am I thinking of?

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Posted By: Alan

Barry,

With Gary Cypress - he has a museum in Los Angeles (?) and wants collectors to visit his museum.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...back door yet, which isn't surprising given that their last auction just ended last week.

I think this Wagner is $1M easy. I'm going to say at least $2M with juice.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Gary Cypres does have a museum, and his collection is well known.

I just think there is something about naming names on a public chatboard that may cross the line.

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Posted By: Jason L

I was hoping to sneak in and cherry pick this one.

Signed,
IC
("Influential" Collector)

it's probably a fake anyway

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Posted By: Alan

Remember, there may not be a back door, because this card is part of their 2nd annual live auction at the ESPN zone Aug 1st in downtown Chicago (which I can't afford the $100 fee )

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Posted By: pas

How many PSA 5 Wagners are there?

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Posted By: barrysloate

There are probably less than five Wagners known that would grade Excellent (I know I could look it up but I'm too lazy).

There is also a raw one that would likely grade Excellent. It has already been posted on this board.

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Posted By: Dave F

I can't remember, was the raw one at some point in Hal's hands?

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Posted By: Alan U

"PSA-unknown" category shows 1 PSA 5 with only the Gretzky 8 higher

"PSA-Sweet Corp." shows 1 PSA 5Q with none higher

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Posted By: peter ullman

hals was nowhere near ex.

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Posted By: pas

Hal's was an SGC 10.
Perhaps the PSA 5 is Bill's?

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Posted By: Alan

Wasn't Hal's sold last year at the Mastro live auction in Cleveland ?

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Posted By: Robert Klevens

I was the high bidder last year in Cleveland at $192,000. I am holding the card in the scan. It now belongs to a collector in Japan. It will be interesting to see what this card sells for.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Wow--good luck.

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Posted By: JimB

THe other PSA 5 is Scott Ireland's. It is listed on his T206 set in the set registry. I saw that one once before it was his and it is stunning.
JimB

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Posted By: JimB

Here is the PSA 5mc that is going on the auction block.
JimB

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Posted By: dstudeba

I agree Barry that naming those names on a public chatboard is inappropriate even if a large number of collectors know who they are.

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Posted By: Alan U

It seems like whenever I send a card in miscut like that it comes back as "Authentic"

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

1- only one who should name a name should be the person themselves.

2- That is one nice card. Even though it is cut whopsided, bigtime. Agreed, it looks 'authentic'. Must be a hand cut one.


3- All of the influential collectors I know refrain from participating in any set registry, they don't use their own name, nor do they use some alias.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Well, one of thwe most interesting things on this message board to me is who is doing what and who may do what--particularly at the high end and how that impacts the PSA Set Registry. I don't see anything wrong with it and many times I learn who is doing what. For example, I did not know who owned the Wagner PSA 5s. That is important information to me. Also this guy that apparently owns all the slabs and the guy from Janus. Fascinating!

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Posted By: Ed Hans

A spectacular card, obviously; but a rather charitable five IMO.