What percentage of T206 SGC 80/PSA 6 and above and rare backs are slabbed?

[llafoe]

In your opinion, what percentage of T206 SGC 80/PSA 6 and above and rare backs are slabbed?

When looking on eBay, I see a lot of raw cards. However, I rarely see a raw card that would grade higher than a SGC 50/PSA 4. Does that mean most of the SGC80/PSA 6 cards are already slabbed in plastic?

I assume most of the rare backs are slabbed... simply for authentication purposes?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by llafoe

In your opinion, what percentage of T206 SGC 80/PSA 6 and above and rare backs are slabbed?

When looking on eBay, I see a lot of raw cards. However, I rarely see a raw card that would grade higher than a SGC 50/PSA 4. Does that mean most of the SGC80/PSA 6 cards are already slabbed in plastic?

I assume most of the rare backs are slabbed... simply for authentication purposes?

This year on eBay I've picked up two raw T206s that graded 70, and one that graded 80.

--edited to include; each of them was purchased for under $30

[Cardboard Junkie]

I have over 1000 that are raw and would be in the ex to ex+ range. I also have dozens of rare backs ungraded. I also know of 3 major collections that are all raw. dave. ps I wonder about the large collections like Burdicks that are pasted in albums.....what backs are there?

[sreader3]

I'd say that 70-80% of T206 cards that would grade PSA 6/SGC 80 or higher are now in slabs. Can I back this up with hard evidence? No. It's based on the fact that the vast majority (> 95%) of the raw cards that I now see on eBay are VG-EX or worse (or trimmed). That wasn't the case 8-10 years ago, when you could at least somewhat regularly find EX or better groups of raw T206s fresh to the hobby.

In terms of rare backs, it depends on what you mean by "rare."

[Peter_Spaeth]

An interesting corollary question is what percentage of cards grading 6 and above have not been improved in some way.

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

An interesting corollary question is what percentage of cards grading 6 and above have not been improved in some way.

But it's like proving a negative. There's no possible way to answer that question.

[wonkaticket]

David did you ever get around to scanning that Brown Lenox of yours so we can see love to see another brown.

Cheers,

John

[FrankWakefield]

20%


And no, most rare backs aren't slabbed. There are lots of old collectors who care not about slabbing, nor even this board. Old collectors with good stuff...

[llafoe]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Old collectors with good stuff...

I thought you were talking about me until I read your qualifying last sentence...

[steve B]

The few tougher backs I have aren't slabbed. And probably won't be for a while since they're pretty much all in the 10-20 range. Maybe 30 on a good day.
I don't see much point in slabbing a worn creased card. The few nice ones I have eventually will be, primarily for the potential resale later on. I know what's what, and my wife knows a bit about cards. No telling wether my daughter will care at all yet. She does think cards are fun, but hasn't been kind to the few I've given her (Relax,they're mostly already creased 88 score) The holders were more fun that the cards.....

Steve B

[E93]

I would guess more than 80% of the ex/mt and better T206s have been slabbed. Considering that between PSA and SGC more than 200,000 T206s have been graded and generally people are FAR more inclined to grade high grade cards, I think it it is likely that the vast majority of higher end T206s have been graded. Of course I know some old time collectors with nice stuff that has not been graded, but nowhere near the quantity that already has been graded, especially high grade.
JimB

[Touch'EmAll]

Here we go again with the, "how many are slabbed question".

Couple weeks ago I asked a similar question and got slammed by most saying I was way off base and a very small percentage of "good" cards were already graded. Hmm, now folks are saying upwards of 80% of rare backs are slabbed ?

I am learning this board is great, but take everything with a grain of salt.

[Pat R]

As far as rare backs there are not many 6's or higher slabbed. Here's what PSA
has that are six or higher and most are 6's with a couple of 7's.

Uzit 4
Drum 1
Lenox 2
Broadleaf 4

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Here we go again with the, "how many are slabbed question".

Couple weeks ago I asked a similar question and got slammed by most saying I was way off base and a very small percentage of "good" cards were already graded. Hmm, now folks are saying upwards of 80% of rare backs are slabbed ?

I am learning this board is great, but take everything with a grain of salt.

If you ask a question that has no answer then you should expect to get opinions.

[barrysloate]

People answer this type of questions based on their own proclivity to slab or not to. The raw card guys always say most are raw, and the collectors who have all their cards slabbed always say a high percentage are slabbed. I don't even have to read their responses- I know what it will be just by who they are.

Therefore, what is the point of these informal surveys?

[E93]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

People answer this type of questions based on their own proclivity to slab or not to. The raw card guys always say most are raw, and the collectors who have all their cards slabbed always say a high percentage are slabbed. I don't even have to read their responses- I know what it will be just by who they are.

In my personal collection, 80% of my (approx. 600) T206s are raw and yet my answer was that 80% of high grade T206s are probably already slabbed.
JimB

[barrysloate]

And yet Jim I knew that both you and Frank would answer the opposite, without even reading your posts. My point is I have no idea which one of you is right, as I don't study this. But what I know for certain is one of you is wrong, since it can't be mostly raw and mostly graded at the same time.

So what is the point of these surveys? Nobody studies the percentage of graded backs, they just guess at it. Is that serving the OP, and even if he got the correct answer does it make a difference?

[E93]

Barry,
Ok, good point. But in case you are wondering who is right; it is me.
JimB

[llafoe]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Is that serving the OP, and even if he got the correct answer does it make a difference?

Of course it makes a difference. Supply and demand dictates value. If 90% of the PSA 6 and above are slabbed... and there are 45 slabbed, I know there are only 5 raw. If there are 100 collectors for PSA 6 and above, the card is a good value. On the other hand, if only 10% are slabbed... and there are 45 slabbed, I know there are 405 raw. If there are 100 collectors for PSA 6 and above, the card is a poor value.

I know you can only provide your opinion. A collector who has collected for years/decades and attends shows and tracks auctions is certainly more informed than I am... and I value their opinion.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by E93

Barry,
Ok, good point. But in case you are wondering who is right; it is me.
JimB

Well of course.

Larry- I didn't express myself clearly. Of course if somebody knew the answer with near precision that could be useful information. But if everybody is guessing, and the answers are all over the board, that is not going to help you at all.

If I ask who won the Yankee game, and five people say the Yankees, and the other five say, No it was the Red Sox....I might just as well not asked the question.

[llafoe]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Well of course.

Larry- I didn't express myself clearly. Of course if somebody knew the answer with near precision that could be useful information. But if everybody is guessing, and the answers are all over the board, that is not going to help you at all.

If I ask who won the Yankee game, and five people say the Yankees, and the other five say, No it was the Red Sox....I might just as well not asked the question.

If I asked 10 people I knew who won the Yankees game... I would know who to believe out of the 10. :-)

That's what I seeking here... who I can believe... who the T206 expert is on this board. Once I determine that I can make more informed decisions. Who knows, maybe one day I'll be able to make my own decisions. ;-)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

But it's like proving a negative. There's no possible way to answer that question.

Or the OP's question, as the data is simply not available.

[FrankWakefield]

Barry, I figure that both of us are wrong, not just one.

Seems to me that old style, ungraded collectors recognize that some folks collect only graded cards, and want their cards graded; but that some of those collectors of graded cards have a difficult time accepting that some folks don't want graded cards. I think the old style collectors are more aware of other collectors out there who have minimal internet involvement, don't drool on the auction catalogs, don't read this board, and who have no use for the grading companies. Those guys have significant holdings. I don't know much about this black swamp stuff... but I think that those cards weren't graded when "found" (hell, the cards weren't lost, some fellow had known about them for years, and enjoyed them without the internet and grading companies). I think there's bunches more of such "finds". And I think other folks are in disbelief, how could that black swamp guy have been sitting on those cards without spending a fortune with SGC or PSA, then scanning them and putting them on some image hosting place, and all that jazz???

But I do agree that it is a futile question based on opinion and conjecture.

And what's a Mets fan doing wondering about the score of a game from that lesser league?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by llafoe

In your opinion, what percentage of T206 SGC 80/PSA 6 and above and rare backs are slabbed?

Taken literally, the 1st part of the question is a trick. 100% of the T206 SGC 80/PSA 6 and above cards are slabbed--otherwise they don't have an SGC or PSA grade assigned to them.

As for how many unslabbed cards would be considered a 6 or better by PSA or SGC, any answer can be derived only by the SWAG method because we don't know the actual manufacturing numbers of any of the cards or the number of surviving cards so we cannot fill in the denominator of the equation to derive a percentage.

[FrankWakefield]

Adam, I'd think that a few of those 80/6 cards have been busted out... although I can see that some would no longer deem them an 80 or a 6 once liberated.