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Posted By: E, Daniel

I actually have no gripe, in fact think it's a terrific idea to create a super high end event for the sports memorabillia/cards crowd. Those who can go and buy will, those who can't - won't. Pretty much the same as goes for me and the Mastro Auctions, or REA, or most Auction Houses for that matter. Just because It's out of my price range, doesn't mean it's not fun to drool and fantasize. I see no-where in your post or description an attempt to belittle anyone else's collecting style, and think frankly you are carrying baggage from other postings you've made where perhaps you have been less delicate - read dopey, in your writings. A $1000 minimum? Who cares? The $500 minimums that other auctions employ does not make them callous, and the items are worth to the collector whatever they are worth...and always way above minimum, and far more than I can afford.
My only addition to you plans, would be:
As a way to allow more people to afford to attend and at least view the material on offer, I would suggest the pre-auction charity night selling tables of 8 for a $1000, or around $125 a head, instead of a flat $250. I think there would be lots of collectors on this board and in general that might get excited by the idea of a trip to the big Apple and organize amongst themselves to coordinate such a trip. And perhaps not black tie, but trousers and blazer would be sufficient, and evening style dress for the ladies. And say if you could get a 100 or more tables, then that 100K - and I mean ALL of the money - could be given to a great cause (the Ronald McDonald house is currently my heart-strings).
Perhaps in conjunction with material gathered for auction, a visit from Cooperstown of some of the most scrupmtious items could be coordinated to be shown at the same premises....

Anyways, regardless, I think it's a fun idea, and certainly shouldn't preclude organizing a 'regular' trade card show more in keeping with average pockets to find it's way to such a terrific city.

regards
Daniel

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Posted By: Robert S

Speaking as someone who attends ALL the shows in the area -- the Park Ave Book Fair, The Pier Shows, the Lexington Ave Book Fair, The Greenwich Village PS Book Fair, The White Plains Card Shows, the Hofstra Card Shows -- I think most of us would go to any and every baseball card show in the city.

There are so few opportunities for baseball collecting-related gatherings, we're all starved for them.

However, what I think you're missing is that because the card show attendence base is so small (in general), a NYC show would do well to be more inclusive rather than more exclusive. Meaning: have the high-ticket options, but don't eliminate the mid-priced and low-priced ones.

Take the National for instance: you can have high ticket auctions held on-site (as has been done previously) and invitation-only dinner events (see Mastro, for instance) while still serving-up an event that actualy garners more of a mass audience.

I think what the people here are trying to tell you (Bruce, any alter-egos, and/or the entire Dorskind Group), is that they will gladly go to any NYC show that is served-up, but that they don't necessarily think it should be exclusive rather than inclusive.

For instance, a charity-only preview would be great (many antique shows, in fact, set different prices for different times within the same day/night), as would a big ticket auction. However, so would the ability to walk the floor and buy a card for under $500.

Take the Pier Show, for instance, it doesn't exclude small ticket items, but does include big tcket ones and all the high-end trappings.

As for your response to the Park Avenue Armory show comment -- even the Dorskind Group would be knowledgeable enough to hop on over to the Lexington Avenue show (which sometimes is held on the same weekend) to purchase its P.G. Wodehouse first editions for half the price. This doesn't mean the Park Avenue show isn't popular, successful, or even worth scouring for that special high-ticket item or even a bargain or two. However, for common items, why would anyone to whom money is any object pay more than is needed?

The same can be said for baseball cards. Sure the Boston Garter cards will garner high prices, as they should. But why would anyone on this board pay more for a T206 Rube Marquard just because it is being sold two avenues away from a more reasonably-priced alternative?

In sum: set the NY "high roller" show dates, Bruce, and every New Yorker on this board will likely come (maybe we all won't buy, but we probably all will come). Just don't be surprised when the bulk of New York card collectors don't appear... unless you give more of them reasons to show up, as do shows like the Pier Show for antique and collectible collectors.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Barry,

You are defining hobby as pre-war and even at that I would say that the money spent on prewar 8s and better is dramatically higher than what you suggest.

In the 40s,50s and 60s it is the majority of the hobby and the 70s and later it is the hobby.

Jim

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Posted By: barrysloate

Fair point Jim, I was thinking vintage and not about the more modern sets...on a slightly different note, I think that Bruce is talking theoretically here. I don't foresee him organizing such a show himself; I think he suggests that such a show in NYC would be a worthwhile venture. Bruce is busy with his own business affairs and I don't see this idea going beyond the discussion phase. There is an enormous amount of work to do and red tape to overcome to bring such a project to fruition in the city.

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Posted By: Bob C

Bruce,
What you are proposing is introducing an entirely new facet to our hobby. Your concept of forming a hedge fund to “manage” sports collectibles is both non-traditional in its own venue, and viewed as an intrusion by collector’s and hobbyists who enjoy sports collecting for its own rewards.
As an investor, I am skeptical. Most of my colleagues and family see the hobby as a child’s errand and a questionable use of my time and energy. Further, since hedge funds engage in opportunistic investing strategies, would this fund “short” the “market” as well? Although the internet, EBay in particular, has leveled the playing field, the hobby is irregular and inefficient for many reasons. I have a lot of other thoughts that I won’t go into here, but serious investor’s will need to be seriously convinced this is real, and you know what I mean.
As a collector, I cringe at the thought of launching significant new dollars to pursue scarcer and scarcer supply. I have been chasing four (4) Ramly commons to complete my set for nearly two years now and I don’t even want to talk about graded T3’s. As a collector and hobbyist I abhor your idea and you know what I mean.
Manhattan as a scene is red herring, who cares. If you think your average couple at The Four Seasons is going to pay $250 a throw to preview a sports collectibles auction, well I want some of what you have been smoking, just ask my wife.
My two cents, no smiley faces.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Jim, I respectfully disagree that the PSA8 crowd is the backbone of the hobby. IMO the majority of hobbyists are the collectors who value the card over the number on a slab....and Barry's assessment of 1-2% is right on when considering prewar collectors. A good majority of prewar cards are difficult to come by in any condition that most collectors (99%)will take what they can find regardless of the number on the slab. Bruce may the only prewar collector I know of that will not include a card in his collection if it doesn't meet a specific grade. Of course I don't know anyone around my area that collects cards to put on a registry.

I gravitated towards vintage (vintage as far as I'm concerned is anything pre-Topps) cards because of the way the hobby was headed in the late 1980's....people were actually selling blocks of 100 Wally Joyner rookies as an investment And while that idea thankfully went into the toilet it was replaced by the card companies inserting short printed insert cards into packs. I still go to my local card shop to get supplies and talk to the owner who I've been friends with since the mid-80s, but it's really become more of a gambling parlor for adults buying boxes of cards hoping to pull 1/1 cards...you can see them sitting at the table opening the packs, keeping the inserts and just giving the cardshop owner the "regular" cards because they are "worthless".

I'm not denigrating anyone because I believe people should be able to spend their own money however they want to, but IMO the PSA8 registry crowd is just like the gambler hoping to pull the 1/1 card...they are aspects of the hobby, but they are by no means the backbone.

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Posted By: MorrieM(.ullins)

Jim,

You do understand how it sounds when you accuse someone else of making a thread into "class warfare," then follow up with a statement like, "I think the psa 8 collector who loves his/her cards is now the backbone of the hobby," don't you?

Take out the "psa 8" from your statement, and nobody disagrees with you. But add it in and you, not Bob, have made it about class differences and relative criticality to the hobby.

Maybe "hobby" and "business" are synonymous for you, and that's fine if it's what brings you joy. I can certainly see that on the financial side, the people buying psa 8's are pouring more money into the cards than most of the rest of us -- but on the hobby side, it all falls apart without people who are enthusiastic and passionate about the cards at every level.

I have no interest in Bruce's proposal. I fail to see how it makes the hobby better for 95+% of collectors. But, hey -- as long as it doesn't affect access to what I collect, have fun with it.

Morrie

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Posted By: BcD

Bob,that was funny!
Leon,your post here is one of the best you have ever written and of course King's public service message to do his social duty to the card collecting World was as usual a bullseye! Do you think people with one man companies here really 1099 anyone for two hours of work so they properly and formally can justify the use of the word "we"?

BcD

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Posted By: Brian

Whilst this thread provides enjoyment and auspicious hopes to the future, I remain vexed by the "we" issue.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Going forward with a model for a show that is is snobby, elitist and exclusionary is a lousy idea. The exclusion of people based solely on the amount of money they have will not help boost card collecting. Certainly it will not bring in the kids and sports fans we need to bring into the hobby if it is to survive past the current generation of collectors. My feeling is that it will have the opposite effect. Do you really want the hobby to turn into the art world, where a few people collect and everyone else pretty much says "who cares"?

Coin collecting isn't big because it excludes people and talks down to them, it is big because anyone can start collecting coins literally from spare change.

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Posted By: BcD

"noone are we"

Jim Crandell's hero~


http://www.peternoone.com/



BcD

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Posted By: bruce Dorskind

A final comment.

Any show, regardless of venue, would have to be able to draw a certain number
of dealers to be a worthwhile economic investment.

In turn, said dealers would like to see a certain number of collectors.

The suggestion was the following

1. Charity Dinner-- the attraction would be baseball..,perhaps at the Museum
of the City of New York (where six great collections will be featured- this
could be a charity event which would benefit cancer or kids from abused
families (Joe Torre's charity) and the Museum. $250 is inexpensive
for a charity eventin NYC. A number of Board Members raised the black tie
question- we did not.

2. Eliminating cabbage patch dolls, lots of common local 90's stuff is a long
way from excluding what someone called the backbone of the hobby. Whilst
we may collect PSA 7 and PSA 8 where possible, we certainly can't expect
to limit tables to dealers who only sell rare E cards in PSA 6, 7 or 8.

Even the Reading show had relatively few tables of 1990's and 2000's stuff
and almost no toys and dolls- compare that to Westchester, NY for example.

3. Auction- if you want to attract collectors and investors from outside the
group of usual suspects, it is imperative that one market very interesting
material- in this case- rare cards or items with a special significance to the
history of baseball and/or the history of New York would appear to make sense

It is amazing that someone reads a thread, then creates his/her own
interpretation and everyone responds to comments (i.e. black tie event) that
were never made in the original post.

By no means do we limit this over reaction to our posts...nearly every thread
fosters an over reaction because someone states that the original post
contained a certain controversial or politically incorrect thought and then
a whole cadre of people react to words that were never written.

Thank you for your interest and for listening.

America's Toughest Want List
(212) 734-7362

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Just when I didn't think this thread could get any funnier -- the class warfare issues, the big city stereotypes as set forth by the self-proclaimed yokels -- Brian provides that 1099 comment. Priceless.

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Posted By: BcD

cabbage patch doll!
BcD

actually Bruce,the reaction is a result of our loathing of you~

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Posted By: Dan

Well, I see that nothing has changed since I left for Iraq 8 months ago. I returned last month and took some time off before getting back in to my hobbies and "normal" life. I must say that it saddened me to log back in to the N54 forum and discover that as collectors we are still missing the boat.

First off folks, this "idea" is an idea that can become a reality with or without your support. As with all collectibles, they ultimately are consumed by the people that have disposable income or at least a good portion of disposable income. Many of you fit in to this criteria as you have previously stated that your money for cards and vintage items came from inheritence or something similar; or you simply make a lot of money as a lawyer, doctor, hedge fund specialist, etc. Folks like myself, I happen to be military, do not make a lot of money. I do ok, so I buy and sell what I can to scrape by to put together my particular items of interest in an attempt to corner my small corner of the market. The folks out there with "the cash" would basically just prefer that the market stays with the "collectors" because what they are doing is slowly buying up the entire vintage mass one piece at a time, one auction win, one Ebay sale, etc. The big players are exactly that and whether or not this New York event occurs, everyone had better wake up and realize that one way or the other, the cards will hit the street one day or another. It may be your prized collection today, however, when you pass that on to your children one day... chances are good that your collection will be sold out from under your best desires and wishes.

Secondly, some of you claim to "keep it with the collectors" when in fact I think that it would be accurate to say that you are the ones that have the disposable income and are enjoying some great "buying" years, not necessarily collecting years. Obviously this is not accurate to everyone that says this, but close.

The last thing is; an event such as this will only aid in bringing more collectors in to the realm of things as well as push the vintage sports to an even higher level than it currently is. I say collectors with a sense of it actually being investors, because NO ONE pays that kind of money on a small scrap of paper if it weren't going to at least hold it's value or eventually go up in value. So the argument could be made that ALL of you are an investor as much as you are a collector and some of you are certainly only investors, either way, you are some variant of investor.

Have a great day, take care... and damn does it feel good to be home!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Sorry guys--did not realize you had to be politically correct here.

Dan,

The hobby is more than pre-war--even if it wasn't the 1-2% that Barry estimates, his estimate is dramatically low when measured in dollars.
Well -you can add me to Bruce's list--I have never bought a card in less than psa 8.
I know hundreds of collectors who collect high-grade graded sets and put them on the registry--noone collects just to put them on the registry.

I think the biggest gamblers are those who buy raw cards. SGC/PSA collectors theoretically have the comfort of the company's assessment behind them. As I have said before, the day will come when virtually all cards of any value will be graded.

Morrie,

Hobby and business are not synonimous for me--I know of noone who loves the hobby more than I do. I would never buy a low-to-mid grade cards but I see nothing wrong with those who do.

Jim

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Posted By: bruce Dorskind

Brian

Since you are in the habit of sending e-mails of yourself in gym shorts
and clearly have a cadre of other issues, you might
be advised to get the facts straight

1. We send 1099's to everyone who works for us

2. We have considerably more full time employees than you suggest

3. As usual, you have no idea what you are speaking about


Oh and while we are responding... we wonder how certain Board Members
are so astute and/or so well informed as to know how much money
another Board Member earns. Do they work for the IRS, Homeland Security
or do they have some secret access to all Network 54 tax returns?

Rest assured, we are never shy about stating our opinon, and we don't really
care about the response from people who change the facts to suit their needs.

The Board is a place to learn about baseball cards and share new ideas.
Board Members, are in the end, the people, one competes with in auctions.
And we, as well, as nearly every other Board Member, will do whatever he or
she can to win a card they need.



Bruce

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Posted By: Bob

Jim- And of course you do fully recognize that if you buy nothing less than a PSA 8, you will not be able to collect, for instance, the D311 Pacific Coast Biscuit or 1911 Zeenut sets, two of my passions, which are both red hot right now and where there are few if any cards at all in those sets which meet your criteria.
Bob

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Posted By: Chad

This 'we' thing is growing on me. It's like that episode of Seinfeld when Costanza starts referring to himself in the third person. We really like that epsiode. (Yep, we're definitely starting to like it.)

--We

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Gee Bruce, You love the hobby so much you go to show buy some cards like it was the greatest thing that happened in the hobby in the last month and then you turn around and offer them on the Net 54 BST thread. Boy is the love of the hobby ever flowing from you.

Cut the BS and admit what you are a wannabe hobnobber with the higher escelon that does not actually have the means and jsut trying to present yourself as the Donald trump of the card world. At least Jim Manos & Jim Crandall are honest and straight forward about who they are and what they are about. I respect them for that whether I agree with them or not.

Move your horse and pony show someplace else,

I give out bowlingshoe, have a modest house, make a modest wage, and damn proud of it.

Lee

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Posted By: JimCrandell

BcD,

Thanks--I loved Herman's Hermits--I even have their greatest hits DVD and sing along to every song----but alas, he is not my hero.

Bruce,

I think you have a lot of good points. The charity part alone makes it good--again what is wrong with a show with high entrance fees that has high-end collectibles when the vast majority of shows have low-end fees featuring low-end collectibles. You are serving a distinct market niche--and many of you would be surprised how many from all over the country would come to this sort of event.



Jim

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Bob,

I do realize that and if I ever do finish all the sets I nam trying to collect in psa 8 or better and turn to those, I will have to lower my standards.

Jim

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Posted By: E, Daniel

I'm thinking no-one's bowled a 300 at your lanes...

daniel

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim- please educate me on this. You say you know hundreds of collectors who collect PSA-8 cards. My question is: just how many of these PSA-8 cards are around? I thought people paid such a high premium for them because they are so comparatively rare. If so many people collect them, how rare are they? The numbers just aren't connecting for me.

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Posted By: BcD

my facts are quite clear

1) I offered NO facts on the subject of 1099's and you Brucey I merely made a joke
2) you are a blow hard who spun your wheels pretending to be a player at live auctions only to get blown out and become known as "the underbidder" of the auction houses.
3) you are the only guy on here that googles themselves under the word "we" all day only to scratch the three strands of brittle hair you have left on your Humpty Dumpty dome wondering why nothing comes up.

4) you remind me of Proverbs 10:19. In fact,you define it!
Now don't make me call greg and tell him your flapping the layers of blubber under your chin on here again as you know he will call you to the carpet on it!

Jim,you are honest! Bruce makes me want to hug you!





BcD

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

This thread is crying out, I mean crying out for an addition from Jay Behrens. I picture him reading this thread dressed up like Hannibal Lecter, wheeled in front of the computer screen...dying to get his hands out and type a response.

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Posted By: BcD

in which Elklods posts 93% of the threads no one gives a hoot about.

BcD

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Posted By: barrysloate

Are we on the verge of spinning out of control yet? Another day on Net54.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

HILARIOUS.........I was talking to Leon about that this morning......it was the 'Jimmy' episode.......

'Jimmy likes Elaine'
'Hands off Jimmy'

blah blah blah

Then George picked up on it.....

'George likes Kung Pao'

PRICELESS........
I thought exactly the same thing when I see the 'WE','US,'OUR' references

Monday's really are the best days for posts like these.....thanks to Bruce (and all those encompassing his sphere of influence) for brightening our day.....

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Posted By: leon

I don't think this will spin out of control. As we spoke about on the phone this is one thread and everyone is arguing with one person...not everyone with everyone. This is really a very focused thrashing .....

BCD- be careful of the personal nature of your comments. thanks ya'll....

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Barry, I think Jim is pretty much right with regard to the cards from the 50s and 60s. If you do an ebay check on PSA graded cards from the 50s you'll find that the most items being offered are in PSA 7 followed closely by PSA 8; PSA 6s, 5s, etc. are scarcer. Also check the PSA pop reports for 1958 as an example: the 8s and 7s are most graded with 6s and lower far behind.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Barry, the real solution to the out of control nature of the board is to divide it up into sections:

1) PSA8 Collector topics only
2) Everything else

I wonder which one would get more discussion?....and I wonder how that relates to the "Backbone" of the hobby?

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Aptly titled "Take Me Out"...
http://www.collectorsquest.com/video/index.php?playvid=12

You can never watch this enough times. Thanks so much Bruce! I will email you (plural) later on. We have so much catching up to do.

Greg

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jeff- I don't pay attention to the 1950's and 60's market, but I would venture to guess that for every collector who has a 1963 Topps set on the registry, there are ten collectors who don't even know what a registry is. So I am still going to go out on a limb and say PSA-8 cards in the 50's and 60's are not the backbone of that hobby either. They may be expensive and desirable, but not how the majority of collectors put their sets together.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Barry,

There are 23,000 sets registered on the PSA Set Registry--several sets have over 100 sets registered.

To pick three popular sets

1961 Topps--128,000 cards graded, 54,000 psa 8s
1957 Topps 116,000 cards graded, 35,000 psa 8s.
1952 Topps 89,000 cards graded, 12,000 psa 8s.

Why would yopu think I would not know 100s of high-grade collectors given that I am doing so many sets?

I say this in a nice way but I think people on this board underestimate just how huge the graded card hobby is.

Jim

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Posted By: Chad

Assuming it's possible, is it a good thing or a bad thing to bring Wall Street into the hobby. This is really the heart of the Dorskind collective's project. I say it's a bad thing for the reasons I gave earlier. This whole idea of a fancy pants show is to DRAW INVESTORS, which is what the original post states and which is why it would need to be in Manhattan. The show, though, is not the real issue. The real issue is trying to attract investors who are devoid of appreciation of the hobby except for the dollar values they can assign to cards. I call BS on this. I'm sorry if that makes me rabble, but I do. I would love to hear reasonable arguments to the contrary. Again, this is not about PSA 8's, or fancy card shows, or any of this crap. It's about the direction of the hobby. Everything else is tangential to this point, I think.

One again, just to be clear

Rich collectors are all right.
Poor collectors are all right.
PSA 8's are all right.
GAI P-F's are all right.
Unslabbed 1978 Topps are all right, even the ones that are worn down because kids actually played the game with the backs.
Faceless hedgefunds with Honus Wagners and Pop Lloyds locked away in a vault is not all right.

--Chad or --We, whatever

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Posted By: barrysloate

If your numbers are correct, and I am sure they are, then 50's and 60's cards should not be hard to find in PSA-8.

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Posted By: DJ

Welcome comments...here we go. I want to know what you (Bruce) hope to achieve with threads like this.

It seems like you have a weekly idea on how to revolutionize and improve the hobby, mostly singling out the big dollar collectors. First it was an organization. A big dollar show (Cabbage Patch Dolls not okay, but we'll allow the PSA5E card though, that's okay). A hedge fund?

It all ends in a debate (again, the vg collector versus the PSA8 people...the registry people versus those who loves their creases) while the large majority of the board "scoffs" at these suggestions to improve the hobby, the others (a handful of loyal high dollar collectors) agree it's a good idea, but that's about as far as it goes.

When it comes down to it, will they (or you or "we" as we are often plural) do any of the work to begin these proposed projects? Will they (those who like the idea) even show up when it comes down to it or have a bunch of better things to do?

I also think that, honestly, the concept of a show is moribund. The Cabbage Patch sellers exist because tables need to be sold. How many tables do you think you can sell of only "big dollar sellers" in this ebay and catalog world? Not to mention you have to probably pay celebrities like Keith Olberman, Joe Orlando and Charo to come to the event.

Already when we go to shows, all we do is comment on high prices and at Bruce's show, we'll see a PSA8 n28 Mulvey for $4,000 that we will all pass on and it will simply end up in Mastro catalog in the future. This is an "ebay" world. A "high priced catalog world". I have no reason to leave the house. I have to fly to NYC...get a hotel...get a car...pay $250...look like a penguin...(bleep) that. I once did this for a charity event that uncovered some original Joan Miro work, but this...pass.

It's Monday Barry, Leon promised us that things would go back to normal. In all honesty, as long as Bruce and Jim C. (no offense to either gentlemen, your views are simply different than 95% of this Board in your way of thinking) post, there will be chaos and friction at the n54, VBC.

DJ

P.S: I'm going to send in all my "poor" conditioned 1963 Topps cards to PSA so I can get 1/1 PSA1 cards.

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Posted By: BcD

"Rest assured, we are never shy about stating our opinon, and we don't really
care about the response from people who change the facts to suit their needs"



I don't recall ever seeing a post by Derek Irwin?
"noone" has posted that in any way are associated with Bruce on this website have they??? So who is it besides Bruce from the Dorskin group that is not shy about stating "their" opinion?

BcD

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Posted By: bruce Dorskind

We have a system set up to block all of your emails

Bruce

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Posted By: Chad

" Greg- save yourself the time December 4 2006, 3:28 PM



We have a system set up to block all of your emails "

But this made me alugh out loud. Now my boss wants to know what the hell I'm doing!

--Chad

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Posted By: barrysloate

DJ- I predicted at 8:00 this morning that the tenor of this thread would degenerate into a battle between the haves and the have nots. If I may pat myself on the back, didn't I call it right? Edited to add that "The Jimmy" episode of Seinfeld is especially funny, with Michael Richards having too much novocaine and Mel Torme making one of his last appearances before he died...but I can't find Michael Richards funny anymore. That said, let's get back to the business of class warfare.

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Posted By: E, Daniel

but I didn't notice you making mention in your auctions that you will only sell your high grade Josh Gibsons to collectors made of the right stuff, and sufficient knowledge base to appease you.....

Similarly, how in the hell is any of this any different to a Mastro or REA Auction? I've never heard anyone on this board say we should vet buyers of those auctions for their card-collecting credentials.
If you ask me, and quite obviously you would not, the greatest amount of classism that goes on on this site is from collectors who proffess to know what a true collector is, or isn't, and are so balls sure of themselves they don't even know how full-of-90' Leaf Sammy Sosa they are.

most sincerely
Daniel

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Barry,

It is still a substantial challenge and an expensive undertaking to complete sets from the 1950 and 1960 with each and every card is psa 8 or better condition.

Jim

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Bruce that is bad news. What is the best number to reach you at? Don't force me to get a yahoo account, please.

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Posted By: Mark

I have my '81 Donruss packs ready to go.....
Where's the show again? Graff Diamonds on 721 Madison Av?


Mark

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Posted By: Brian

George is getting angry!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

DJ,

Nothing wrong with debates--most people can make their points intelligently--some cannot.

Since you are so anxious to see my project fail which contrary to your opinion has the support of the majority of the board, we are continuing forward. There is a dinner being set up in NYC with a follow-up conference call with other hobbyists who want top be part of the solution. For those who wish to participate in either one of these, please contact me.

Jim

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Posted By: Chad

I'm working under the assumption that an individual collector knows something about and appreciate the 50,000 dollar card he's buying that, say, First Eagle Funds of America or the MIT endowment fund wouldn't. Do high end cards end up in the collections of people/entities that don't care? Absolutely. Should we encourage this? Why would you want to?

--Chad

edited to add:

And who have I ever accused of not being a real collector? Show me a single post I've made where I've implied that. If my being wary of hedge funds jumping into collecting makes me a snob or full of s--t, then so be it. I can offer suggestions of what you're full of if you want.

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Posted By: BcD

"complaint filed"

remember! please bring the foul cookies and milk back in from your porch as the FBI never showed up to claim them! Or was it the justice department? or maybe Monster.com excecutives! :0



BcD