W575-1 Anonymous Cards (Not Hand Cut, Not Strip Cards)

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ghostmarcelle

A favorite from my collection

Great card. The Henry Johnson stamped cards (as well as the Service Candy Co. stamped cards) that I have seen appear to be machine cut, just like Leon's examples.

Once again, I am not negating the fact that these cards were issued in this format, just indicating my belief that some of the cards that have been traditionally lumped into the W575-1 classification (including the W501-2 that Rhett was the first to identify) were not offered as individual cards.

Just as it is incorrect for the grading companies to automatically identify all 'W575-1' cards as hand cut, in my opinion it is also incorrect to classify all cards that have traditionally been classified as W575-1 to be machine cut.


Brian

[Leon]

I agree for the most part (not that it really matters)

Since we have almost never seen sheets or strips of W575-1, I will continue to believe they were not hand cut when distributed, until I see any other evidence.

"Just the facts ma'am" Sgt. Joe Friday

It's a great conversation. It's always ok to agree to disagree too.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Great card. The Henry Johnson stamped cards (as well as the Service Candy Co. stamped cards) that I have seen appear to be machine cut, just like Leon's examples.

Once again, I am not negating the fact that these cards were issued in this format, just indicating my belief that some of the cards that have been traditionally lumped into the W575-1 classification (including the W501-2 that Rhett was the first to identify) were not offered as individual cards.

Just as it is incorrect for the grading companies to automatically identify all 'W575-1' cards as hand cut, in my opinion it is also incorrect to classify all cards that have traditionally been classified as W575-1 to be machine cut.


Brian

[theshowandme]

W575-1 or W501-2, who knows, but it's a great card

[Leon]

The bottom edge says W501....

Originally Posted by theshowandme

W575-1 or W501-2, who knows, but it's a great card

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

W575-1 or W501-2, who knows, but it's a great card

Don, I agree with Leon. I'm 99.9% sure that your super nice Sisler card is a W501-2. Hopefully, you will have it in your display at the upcoming Net54 get together in No. VA.

I also agree with Leon in that I believe that all "true" W575-1 cards are machine cut on all 4 sides. And, I believe that W501-1 and W501-2 cards are all machine cut on both the right and left sides, but that either the top side or the bottom side or both are hand cut. Hence, I believe W501-1 and W501-2 cards were issued in vertical strips, but I suspect the strips were short because a good percentage of those that I've seen appeared to have a machine-cut top or bottom.

[rhettyeakley]

Nice to see these cards getting some love!

[brianp-beme]

Feel free to chime on with thoughts on these cards, especially if you possess especially nice chimes (no bamboo chimes, please)...were the below cards cut from a strip, or do you think perhaps a sheet? The cutter was fairly consistent with what they wanted as an end result, which sometimes included the top line of the card that would be right beneath it (check out the Holke, Jacobson, Judge and Lewis cards). They are definitely not W501-2 examples, because of their non-grainy look, thicker paper stock, and different position designations for certain positions (for example '1st B' instead of the '1B') than what would be seen on W501-2 cards.

Brian

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Feel free to chime on with thoughts on these cards, especially of you possess especially nice chimes (no bamboo chimes, please)...were the below cards cut from a strip, or do you think perhaps a sheet? The cutter was fairly consistent with what they wanted as an end result, which sometimes included the top line of the card that would be right beneath it (check out the Holke, Jacobson, Judge and Lewis cards). They are definitely not W501-2 examples, because of their non-grainy look, thicker paper stock, and different position designations for certain positions (for example '1st B' instead of the '1B') than what would be seen on W501-2 cards.

Brian

Those are all 1921 parallel to E121 Series of 80 subjects or are from that era of the print run (likely from the same vintage collection I’d imagine) so they would not be W501-2…as the W501 series is a parallel set to the E121 Series of 120 set in 1922.

They were probably cut from a poster/sheet due to crazy bottom cuts. We know of a few sheets that exist…no idea if they were sold this way or if that was an advertising poster to sell the cards.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree for the most part (not that it really matters)

Since we have almost never seen sheets or strips of W575-1, I will continue to believe they were not hand cut when distributed, until I see any other evidence.

"Just the facts ma'am" Sgt. Joe Friday

It's a great conversation. It's always ok to agree to disagree too.

Here's the uncut sheet / store display:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7057-80038.s

I also have a beater partial sheet of this.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by glchen

Here's the uncut sheet / store display:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/7057-80038.s

I also have a beater partial sheet of this.

And from Rhett:

Those are all 1921 parallel to E121 Series of 80 subjects or are from that era of the print run (likely from the same vintage collection I’d imagine) so they would not be W501-2…as the W501 series is a parallel set to the E121 Series of 120 set in 1922.

They were probably cut from a poster/sheet due to crazy bottom cuts. We know of a few sheets that exist…no idea if they were sold this way or if that was an advertising poster to sell the cards.


Thanks Glen and Rhett...I now remember seeing that sheet before. Because of the sheet possibility, I might just be leaning toward the Leon way of thinking, but I still think I have some others from the 'E121 Series of 80' parallel group that just have bad cuts on top and/or bottom, but straight sides. My next post, whenever I get to it, will post some of these (if I indeed have any).

Brian

[RCMcKenzie]

Here are 2 Wally Pipp's...