Please help identify..

[bobbvc]

This is the photo portion of a RPPC. Written in pencil on back is- 1898 Wagner.(Not sure if period pencil lead)
Looks like "Butts" on lower left. Hans lower right. Any help with the other three?

[rarerookies]

could be some old senators team mates. he only played that 1898 year

[rhettyeakley]

Could we see the back of the RPPC, as that can help with the dating. Also, Wagner looks older in this photo--no way is this a 1898 image. I would guess 1908-11 on the image. If the PC back is divided it is 1907 or later.
-Rhett

[fkw]

Im thinking the same thing as Rhett.

Honus Wagner's age looks 30's to me in photo.

The first RPPC's are said to be from 1899, but most were in the 1907+ era and many have the AZO back (triangles or diamonds in corners would be early types).
The back will help date it.

[bobbvc]

Looks like a younger Wagner to me, somewhere in the 20's. It's hard to tell, I think people looked older in general back then. In either case, here's the back.

[birdman42]

Here's the Reccius Wagner, which is from around 1898. Compare the way Wagner looks there vs. the RPPC. Have we accepted that this really is Wagner in the postcard?

http://www.lelands.com/Auction/Aucti...d-quot%3B-Card

Bill

[David Halpen]

That is a nice image. Based on this website, the stamp box would date the RPPC as pre 1907-1910. He does look too old for the photo to be taken in 1898.

http://www.playle.com/realphoto/photoa.php

[autograf]

Very confident it's Honus Wagner..........here's the 1898 Louisville Colonels team photo but I don't really feel good that the others are any of these guys. Nothing definitive but the photo could be from later and maybe someone saying he was in Louisville in 1898 maybe......don't know.......nice team.........also included.....Fred Clarke, Dummy Hoy, Tommy Leach, Topsy Hartsel, Rube Waddell, Heinie Smith, Claude Ritchey, Harry Davis......LOTS of T206 guys..........woops 1899 team........

[bobbvc]

This photo is probably from 1912 or so... There's Butts Wagner on the right.

[rhettyeakley]

Based on the back it is a pre-1907 postcard as it is undivided and the style of AZO back is consistent with that. That being said I would have a very hard time blieving this is from before 1905-1906 based on Wagners age in the photo. That does look like Butts on the far left seated (I haven't done much research into it though) so it could just be a photo of friends from their hometown or something along those lines, may not be baseball related (but it could be).
-Rhett

[autograf]

He sure had some massive shoulders....probably had to work with a good tailor to figure that suit out.......guys in the back row look familiar but so many do in those photos!

[DixieBaseball]

The guy on the RPPC in the back left looks like the guy on the Louisville Top 2nd from right. (Mouth open vs mouth closed, the ears look similar and the part of the hair is the same, and the face and eyes look very similar)

Where is our ear to nose expert ?

[bmarlowe1]

The guy back row 2nd from right in the Lou NL 1898 team photo is Nick Altrock. He does not appear on bobbvc's RPPC.

That is Butts front left on the RPPC (and Honus as well on the right). I don't recognize any of the other faces and I don't think they match any of the Lou '98 guys, but it's hard to be sure. Butts looks too old for 1898.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

I can take you right to the spot of the 1912 era photo. The wooded bank is still there in the rear parking lot of the Weyerhauser offices on Whittington Ave, in Hot Springs, Arkansas. There were several more photos taken there on what appears to be rather cold March day.

[bobbvc]

1903-1906 date is making the most sense for me at this point. I'm pretty sure, but not positive by any means,that the guy standing behind Honus is Deacon Phillippe. He's also in Tom's Louisville photo 4th from the left, Standing. I've got some other references that I may post later including 1901 Pittsburg team photo where they look a little younger but similar to the RPPC.
Thanks again for the help and keep the ideas coming, thinking of getting this graded (for protection, not #) and wanted to have as much info as possible. (yes, SGC).

OK, I guess I'm posting them now....