OT -- 1970s Phillies Roster info needed

[36GoudeyMan]

A good friend of mine is one of the Washington Nationals' lesser known coaches. He swears he was on the Philllies' 40-man roster some time in 1977 and/or 1978, as a pitcher, maybe only during Spring Training of each of those years.

I've been trying to help him find documentation of the Phillies' rosters during that period, sothat he can show the doubters that it was true.

So, can anyone direct me to a place/person who would have documents (Spring Training scorecards, media guides, etc.), that might show the 40-man roster of the Phillies in 1977 and/or 1978?

Thanks!!!

[danc]

What's his name?

Let us do the work for you or do you not want to "out him" publicly?

Easy to find...

DanC

[Teamsets4u]

Here is the Phillies 1978 Organization roster.
All levels of minor league.

Luis Aguayo SS-2B 19 Reading AA
Orlando Alvarez OF 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Mike Anderson OF 27 Oklahoma City AAA
Raul Andino Spartanburg A
Robert Angius P-1B Helena Rk
Ramon Aviles 2B-SS 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Glenn Ballard C Peninsula A+
Jack Bastable 3B-C Reading AA
Fred Beene P 35 Oklahoma City AAA
George Bell LF-OF 18 Helena Rk
Ken Berger OF Reading AA
Dan Boitano P 25 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
P Oklahoma City AAA
Elijah Bonaparte OF Peninsula A+
Bob Boone C 30 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Chris Bouchee OF Peninsula A+
Larry Bowa SS 32 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Rogers Brown Oklahoma City AAA
Thomas Brunswick SS Spartanburg A
Warren Brusstar P 26 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Mike Buskey SS 29 Oklahoma City AAA
Jose Cardenal OF 34 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Steve Carlton P 33 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Mike Cash 2B Reading AA
Carmen Castillo OF-RF 20 Helena Rk
Jose Castro SS 20 Spartanburg A
Larry Christenson P 24 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Frank Ciammachilli P Reading AA
Arnaldo Contreras Oklahoma City AAA
Phil Convertino OF Reading AA
Todd Cruz SS-3B 22 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
SS-3B Oklahoma City AAA
Wil Culmer OF 19 Helena Rk
Bill Dancy SS 26 Oklahoma City AAA
SS Reading AA
Robert DeMeo Oklahoma City AAA
Pete Dempsey SS Reading AA
Bob Dernier OF-CF 21 Spartanburg A
OF-CF Helena Rk
Kerry Dineen OF 26 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
OF Oklahoma City AAA
Rawly Eastwick P 27 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Barry Foote C 26 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Paul Fryer 3B 15 Helena Rk
Gene Garber P 30 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Ernest Gause P Spartanburg A
Marcos Gonzalez Spartanburg A
Orlando Gonzalez 1B-OF 26 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
1B-OF Oklahoma City AAA
Randy Greer OF Helena Rk
John Guarnaccia OF 23 Reading AA
Tom Harmon C Oklahoma City AAA
Bud Harrelson SS 34 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Steve Harvey OF Helena Rk
Ed Hearn C 18 Helena Rk
Richie Hebner 3B-1B 30 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Mike Henson C Helena Rk
Jesus Hernaiz P 33 Reading AA
John Hughes C Reading AA
Bruce Humphrey 1B Spartanburg A
Miguel Ibarra Spartanburg A
Orlando Isales OF 18 Reading AA
Daniel Johnson Spartanburg A
Davey Johnson 2B 35 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Jay Johnstone OF 32 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Joe Jones C Peninsula A+
Jim Kaat P 39 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Paul Kiess Helena Rk
Mark Klein P 24 Oklahoma City AAA
Chuck Kniffin P 27 Oklahoma City AAA
Jeff Kraus SS Peninsula A+
Dan Larson P 24 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Randy Lerch P 23 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
John Lohse 3B Spartanburg A
Tom Lombarski SS Spartanburg A
Jim Lonborg P 36 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Ramon Lora Peninsula A+
Jay Loviglio 2B-3B 22 Peninsula A+
Frank Lucy OF Reading AA
Greg Luzinski OF 27 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Pete Mackanin 2B-SS 27 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Garry Maddox OF 29 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Peter Manos Reading AA
Jerry Martin OF 29 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Ronald Mattson Peninsula A+
Len Matuszek 1B-OF 24 Reading AA
Bake McBride OF 29 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Tim McCarver C 36 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Don McCormack C 23 Oklahoma City AAA
C Reading AA
Manuel McDonald Spartanburg A
Anthony McGill OF Helena Rk
Tug McGraw P 34 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Butch Metzger P 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Pablo Minier 23 Spartanburg A
Keith Moreland OF-3B 24 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
OF-3B Oklahoma City AAA
Jose Moreno OF-2B 20 Oklahoma City AAA
OF-2B Reading AA
Jim Morrison 3B-2B 26 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
3B-2B Oklahoma City AAA
Earl Neal 1B Helena Rk
Dickie Noles P 21 Reading AA
Ed Oliveros 2B Reading AA
Michael Pace OF Spartanburg A
Juan Parker OF Helena Rk
Horacio Pina P 33 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
John Poff OF-1B 25 Oklahoma City AAA
Thomas Popovich 2B-SS Peninsula A+
2B-SS Helena Rk
John Quijada SS Helena Rk
Ron Reed P 35 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Luis Rodriguez Peninsula A+
Rip Rollins 1B Helena Rk
Andres Romero OF-1B Spartanburg A
Dick Ruthven P 27 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Alejandro Sanchez OF 19 Helena Rk
Orlando Sanchez C 22 Reading AA
Ryne Sandberg 2B 19 Helena Rk
Kevin Saucier P 22 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
P Oklahoma City AAA
Mike Schmidt 3B 29 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Ted Sizemore 2B 33 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Lonnie Smith LF-OF 22 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
LF-OF Oklahoma City AAA
Ronald Smith SS Peninsula A+
Collin Sullivan OF Spartanburg A
Philip Thomson Helena Rk
Jackson Todd P 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Jeff Ulrich C Helena Rk
Jose Velazquez Spartanburg A
Ozzie Virgil C 21 Peninsula A+
George Vukovich OF 22 Peninsula A+
John Vukovich 3B 31 Oklahoma City AAA
Greg Walker 1B 18 Spartanburg A
Mike Wallace P 27 Oklahoma City AAA
Dan Warthen P 25 Oklahoma City AAA
Keith Washington OF Spartanburg A
Steve Waterbury P 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Sam Welborn P Peninsula A+
Derek Williams OF Helena Rk
Don Woodward P Helena Rk
Jim Wright P 23 Oklahoma City AAA
Organizational Roster of Pitchers
Player Age Team Level
Armando Abreu Peninsula A+
Oscar Acosta 21 Helena Rk
Daryl Adams Peninsula A+
Spartanburg A
Carlos Arroyo 19 Reading AA
Jack Bastable Reading AA
Fred Beene 35 Oklahoma City AAA
Francisco Berenguer Helena Rk
Dan Boitano 25 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
25 Oklahoma City AAA
Derek Botelho 22 Reading AA
Warren Brusstar 26 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Marty Bystrom 20 Peninsula A+
Jose Calderon Spartanburg A
Steve Carlton 33 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Larry Christenson 24 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Frank Ciammachilli Reading AA
Arnaldo Contreras Oklahoma City AAA
Michael Culbert Helena Rk
John DeVincenzo Spartanburg A
Helena Rk
Rawly Eastwick 27 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Don Fowler Reading AA
Keith Gale Peninsula A+
Spartanburg A
Gene Garber 30 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Ernest Gause Spartanburg A
Wally Goff Helena Rk
Marcos Gonzalez Spartanburg A
Glenn Gregson Reading AA
Thomas Hart 20 Spartanburg A
Jesus Hernaiz 33 Reading AA
Jim Kaat 39 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Mark Klein 24 Oklahoma City AAA
24 Reading AA
Chuck Kniffin 27 Oklahoma City AAA
Dan Larson 24 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
James Lasek Peninsula A+
Randy Lerch 23 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Jim Lonborg 36 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Henry Mack Peninsula A+
Peter Manos Reading AA
Dean Martinez Helena Rk
Jose Martinez Peninsula A+
Gary Mattice Spartanburg A
Tug McGraw 34 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Butch Metzger 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Gregory Moore Spartanburg A
Scott Munninghoff 19 Spartanburg A
James Nickerson Peninsula A+
Dickie Noles 21 Reading AA
Wallace Nunn Spartanburg A
Ed Oliveros Reading AA
Horacio Pina 33 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Dan Prior Helena Rk
Jerry Reed 22 Peninsula A+
22 Spartanburg A
Ron Reed 35 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Rip Rollins Helena Rk
Dick Ruthven 27 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
Luis Santos Helena Rk
Kevin Saucier 22 Philadelphia Phillies MLB
22 Oklahoma City AAA
Jeff Schneider 25 Reading AA
Norman Shiera Spartanburg A
Marty Shoemaker Helena Rk
Cliff Speck 22 Peninsula A+
Phil Teston Helena Rk
Jackson Todd 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Alejandro Vidana Helena Rk
Bob Walk 21 Peninsula A+
Mike Wallace 27 Oklahoma City AAA
Dan Warthen 25 Oklahoma City AAA
Steve Waterbury 26 Oklahoma City AAA
Brian Watts Spartanburg A
Sam Welborn Peninsula A+
Larry Wertz Reading AA
Peninsula A+
Don Woodward Helena Rk

[36GoudeyMan]

Jose Martinez, the Nats Batting Practice Coach and all around amazing guy.... says he was on the Phillies 40 man sometime in 77-78, but no one can prove it, and he has a bet with several other bullpen and assistant coaches... any help would be greatly appreciated!

[whitehse]

is that the Jose martinez that was a Cub's coach at one time??? If so I have to agree that he is a great guy! I used to work for the teams front office and had a chnace to meet him many times.

His claims of being on the Phillies seem plausible because, if he is the same guy that worked for the Cub's, Dallas Green brought ALOT of Philly people with him when he came to the Cubs in 1982. Front office staff, players even coaches came with him. So it would not seem to be a stretch that he may have had a sip of coffee with the Phillies during that time frame and came to the Cubs with the wave of Philly imports..

[ctownboy]

I might be ignorant on this subject but it seems to me if the guy WAS on the roster back in the day and he currently works for an opposing team in the same division as the Phillies, all he would have to do is go to the Philadelphia Front Office while the Nationals were in town and ask to speak to somebody there about the matter. They probably have all the records and could pull up as much info as the guy needed to PROVE he was once in their system and on their 40 man roster.

David

[36GoudeyMan]

.... there is a substnatial language barrier, and he doesn't want to do it himself, so I volunteered to help him... anyone with the Phillies I should check with?

[whitehse]

Working in the front office as I once did it actually mightnot be that easy to pull information up with the team. They dont always have a database of the people on their rosters during spring training especially from the 70's. Unless he was on the offical team roster records might not be available from back then. It would take someone having to contact the media relations department and have them do some research. But to be honest, if he is claiming to be on the regular season roster he would have showed up on many different websites that track this information. I suspect he might have been on the off seaso n 40 man roster or the spring training invitee list and not on the regular season roster.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by 36GoudeyMan

.... there is a substnatial language barrier, and he doesn't want to do it himself, so I volunteered to help him... anyone with the Phillies I should check with?

Call the Phillies directly and ask for the media relations department. They should be able to research for you

[Scott L.]

The Jose Martinez in the list above that was in what I assume was high A ball at the time is not him?

Jose Martinez Peninsula A+

He was a pitcher and looks like he moved to AAA in 1979 so he conceivably would have been invited to spring training in 79 and maybe 78.

Batting Statistics Data Store | Add yourself to TBC
Year Team Lg Age Pos Org Lvl G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS HBP IBB SH SF GDP AVG OBP SLG OPS
1979 Oklahoma City Amer - p phi AAA 22 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 .000 .667 .000 667
1980 Oklahoma City Amer - p phi AAA 33 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 1 0 .000 .000 .000 0

Minor League Totals -- 2 season(s) 55 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 0 0 0 2 0 .000 .200 --- ---


Pitching Statistics Data Store | Add yourself to TBC
Year Team Lg Age Org Lvl W L ERA G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9
1978 Peninsula phi A+ 13 2 2.07 21 19 9 2 1 148 124 51 34 5 51 131 1.18 7.54 0.30 3.10 7.97
1979 Oklahoma City Amer - phi AAA 4 10 5.26 21 21 2 0 0 106 128 77 62 8 55 54 1.73 10.87 0.68 4.67 4.58
1980 Oklahoma City Amer - phi AAA 4 7 5.19 32 9 1 0 2 111 123 72 64 14 57 63 1.62 9.97 1.14 4.62 5.11

Minor Leagues Totals 21 19 3.95 74 49 12 2 3 365 375 200 160 27 163 248 1.47 9.25 0.67 4.02 6.12



Fielding Statistics
Year Team Lg Age Org Level Pos G GS Inn PO A E TC DP PB SB CS FPCT RF
1978 Peninsula Caro - phi A+ P 21 14 21 2 37 2 - - - 946 --
1979 Okla City Amer - phi AAA P 21 7 12 0 19 1 - - - 1.000 --
1980 Okla City Amer - phi AAA P 32 10 10 1 21 0 - - - 952 --

[Teamsets4u]

Here is a link to his stats from baseball reference.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=martin019jos

And here is one from the baseball cube.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...rtinez-9.shtml

neither tell if he was on the 40 man roster.

[insidethewrapper]

Need to check a Phillies Media Guide from the year or years in question. He may be in it and it will tell all about him. I think it may mention if he was on a 40 man roster etc. Ch

[whitehse]

Looking at the information that has been presented here I think I have the wrong Jose Martinez who was the Cubs coach in the 80's. So please disregard my comments on that subject!! But if none of the other leads pan out that have been proposed here, do please contact the media relations department of the Phillies!

[insidethewrapper]

There are 1977 , 1978 etc Philadelphia Phillies Media Guides for sale on ebay right now for under $ 10. This may be a good lead.

[Rob D.]

I'll add this from my experience in the minor leagues, which might or might not be relevant:

An organization will add players to the 40-man roster (and AAA, AA, A rosters) during the off-season. Many of those players never will be on the roster they're assigned to in the winter by the time the season starts. I had teammates in Class AA who were added to Milwaukee's 40-man roster in the winter (for protection purposes to prevent other clubs from claiming them), and they knew they were going to be back in Double-A the next season.

So it's quite possible your friend might have been on the 40-man roster at some point but not the active 40-man roster that comes to most people's mind.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

I'll add this from my experience in the minor leagues, which might or might not be relevant:

An organization will add players to the 40-man roster (and AAA, AA, A rosters) during the off-season. Many of those players never will be on the roster they're assigned to in the winter by the time the season starts. I had teammates in Class AA who were added to Milwaukee's 40-man roster in the winter (for protection purposes to prevent other clubs from claiming them), and they knew they were going to be back in Double-A the next season.

So it's quite possible your friend might have been on the 40-man roster at some point but not the active 40-man roster that comes to most people's mind.

Great point Rob.
Websites such as baseball abstract will not show players on the 40 man roster during the off season so that is why the best way to go is to contact the team and have them investigate if this player was ever on the 40 man roster. This might be the best time of year to do it as teams really get ramped up after the Christmas holiday and they have little time to do these sort of things after then.