Alteration vs. Conservation Defined

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Given the amount of money at stake I'd be much more surprised to find out that graders aren't being paid under the table.

But PWCC is clean.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by calvindog

But PWCC is clean.

It's not looking good right now but I haven't seen enough to say for certain. If you were defending Brent based on the evidence released to date could you get him off?

I don't think I you can hold an auction house responsible for selling altered cards that were good enough to make it through PSA or SGC. Even if someone did pay off a grade or 2 to get them through.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's not looking good right now but I haven't seen enough to say for certain. If you were defending Brent based on the evidence released to date could you get him off?

I don't think I you can hold an auction house responsible for selling altered cards that were good enough to make it through PSA or SGC. Even if someone did pay off a grade or 2 to get them through.

You clearly know the law very well. On what basis are you even opining about what it is? Seriously?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You clearly know the law very well. On what basis are you even opining about what it is? Seriously?

Just common sense. If they reasonably believed the cards were authentic, and a grading company agreed, how do you hold an auction house accountable. I would hope you know the law better than I do so enlighten me. What crime would have been committed?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Just common sense. If they reasonably believed the cards were authentic, and a grading company agreed, how do you hold an auction house accountable. I would hope you know the law better than I do so enlighten me. What crime would have been committed?

Your first if is counterfactual. You're basically saying if they were innocent I don't think they could have committed a crime.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Your first if is counterfactual. You're basically saying if they were innocent I don't think they could have committed a crime.

I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest otherwise. If you, Jeff, or anyone else has I'd like to see it.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest otherwise. If you, Jeff, or anyone else has I'd like to see it.

I have.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not even Brent has claimed he believed the cards were all legitimate. He knows he would get skewered if he did. No, Brent said, OK from now on we aren't dealing with these people.

But carry on.