Probstein123 Still amazed he is in business

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Buying from Rick is buying from an unknown source. Most of his items are consignments. Items that aren't consignments may be the only ones not being shilled at this point.

I would like to be proven wrong. Can any board member own up to a recent consignment with Rick to which they can provide a testimonial? I'd like to see one higher then usual price that can be proven an honest sale... Anyone?

I will sort through my previous listings and see what I can come up with.

I DO NOT and WILL NOT EVER bid on my own auctions. I had 2 Dan Marinos and 2 Elway Rookies end for $160... I was only asking $60 for the 4 cards locally. I also have had some partial sets that I estimate in the 1500-1800 range end 2500-3200

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I will sort through my previous listings and see what I can come up with.

I DO NOT and WILL NOT EVER bid on my own auctions. I had 2 Dan Marinos and 2 Elway Rookies end for $160... I was only asking $60 for the 4 cards locally. I also have had some partial sets that I estimate in the 1500-1800 range end 2500-3200

Thank you for sharing that.

[iwantitiwinit]

I read both of Rick P's posts and I do not see anywhere where he declared that he is NOT shilling. did I miss something? If I am wrong mea culpa but I didnt see it. If I was going to refute something I would state it directly. I am not accusing anyone of anytihng just stating I dont see that statement anywhere.

[probstein123]

iwantitiwinit , I'm not shilling

[iwantitiwinit]

Thank you Rick. I will take you at your word. I have bought from you in the past both on EBAY and in person. I do however find many of the bids on many of your auctions suspicious and I cited several of those in a past post. However, I will take you at your word.

[probstein123]

hello, here we go again, another moron making an accusations,
==> a) we leave feedback for every buyer, take a look, its 3 unique buyers, and yes, I have 20 of these, I bought the remaining inventory....

if you have enough keyboard strength to trash me, go take 5 minutes and you'll see its 3 different winners...

I own 20 of these...

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by probstein123

hello, here we go again, another moron making an accusations,
==> a) we leave feedback for every buyer, take a look, its 3 unique buyers, and yes, I have 20 of these, I bought the remaining inventory....

if you have enough keyboard strength to trash me, go take 5 minutes and you'll see its 3 different winners...

I own 20 of these...

You own 20 of them that are all numbered 171/400?

[npa589]

So much drama on NET54 recently...

[probstein123]

once more, this card was sold 3 times and returned 3 times , to 3 different winners...returned each time, cause people thought the card was misgraded ( which it was )

go research my feedbacks and you'll see its 3 different winners....

you think I'm shilling a nolan ryan psa 8...

I'm a nice guy, but get bent, your way off base

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by probstein123

once more, this card was sold 3 times and returned 3 times , to 3 different winners...returned each time, cause people thought the card was misgraded ( which it was )

go research my feedbacks and you'll see its 3 different winners....

you think I'm shilling a nolan ryan psa 8...

I'm a nice guy, but get bent, your way off base

High five. Lay down the law. Also I will be back later to post the examples I mentioned earlier. I will show both ends of the spectrum as well. (I've gotten $300 on a lot where one ended $2000 the week before)

[sbfinley]

I've been away from the boards for an extended period (back to school), but I've been checking in the past few weeks to catch up. A couple of notes:

1. I've purchased from Rick before in the past. No complaints. Nothing I have read here would persuade me from not bidding in future auctions.

2. Someone once taught me to never bid more than you are willing to pay. Anything less is icing.

3. Shilling is an evil of the market we frequent, but implying that Rick is root cause, agent of, or enabler of it is grossly inaccurate.

[lsutigers1973]

It's funny how every single thread on PSA exposing Rick has been deleted. Real forums may lock the thread but never delete them. Guess it's to hide full transparency.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Since an ebay seller cannot see a max bid it is impossible to shill in the strictest sense of the word namely placing a bid forvthe purpose of bumping up the high bid. This leaves two other practices to discuss. One is bidding up incrementally until the high bidder is topped then retracting. This is clearly wrong and should not be tolerated. The second is placement of a safety bid by the consignor or a proxy which to me is akin to a hidden reserve and next to impossible to police. It might be cleaner if there was a reserve but i wont fret it.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Since an ebay seller cannot see a max bid it is impossible to shill in the strictest sense of the word namely placing a bid forvthe purpose of bumping up the high bid. This leaves two other practices to discuss. One is bidding up incrementally until the high bidder is topped then retracting. This is clearly wrong and should not be tolerated. The second is placement of a safety bid by the consignor or a proxy which to me is akin to a hidden reserve and next to impossible to police. It might be cleaner if there was a reserve but i wont fret it.

Feel free to go through Rick's feedback and look at bid history on any random auction over $100. Most have at least one bidder with 10-15 bid retractions in last 6 months with a high percentage of Rick's auctions bid on.

In 12 years on eBay I have had a total of 2 retractions.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Since an ebay seller cannot see a max bid it is impossible to shill in the strictest sense of the word namely placing a bid forvthe purpose of bumping up the high bid. This leaves two other practices to discuss. One is bidding up incrementally until the high bidder is topped then retracting. This is clearly wrong and should not be tolerated. The second is placement of a safety bid by the consignor or a proxy which to me is akin to a hidden reserve and next to impossible to police. It might be cleaner if there was a reserve but i wont fret it.

Could you come up with a different word for "safety bid"? Starting a .99 "no reserve" auction then placing a "safety bid" is a f---ing scumbag move and doesn't deserve such a cute name.

[rajah424]

I recently consigned about 40 cards to Rick, including 25 midgrade T202's, that ended on 1/27. One buyer won three cards (paying $82, $82 and $51.66)and immediately relisted them for auction. The auction ended on 2/11 and sold for $76, $90 and $64.75. This gave him a profit of $15.09 before ebay fees.

Don't know that this really adds anything to the discussion, other than Rick doesn't always get the highest prices, just thought i would add my experience with Rick. I did not bid on my own items and based on the prices i don't think anyone ran the prices up higher than what these cards normally sell for.

Stuart

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by rajah424

I recently consigned about 40 cards to Rick, including 25 midgrade T202's, that ended on 1/27. One buyer won three cards (paying $82, $82 and $51.66)and immediately relisted them for auction. The auction ended on 2/11 and sold for $76, $90 and $64.75. This gave him a profit of $15.09 before ebay fees.

Don't know that this really adds anything to the discussion, other than Rick doesn't always get the highest prices, just thought i would add my experience with Rick. I did not bid on my own items and based on the prices i don't think anyone ran the prices up higher than what these cards normally sell for.

Stuart

Hi Stuart, It adds a lot to the discussion. I'm assuming you paid Rick something to consign your cards. It sounds like you didn't do so well overall (you could have gotten higher prices - plus covered the consignment fees - by selling them yourself), right? So, given that you didn't do so well, I guess you won't be consigning through Rick in the future, right?