Just Another 1952 Mantle PSA 9

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by ergoism

These are good questions, there are a few factors that led to me choosing Heritage.

1. I ultimately decided to sell the card to buy family our dream home and HA had no problem advancing me the money to do so.

2. I thought that Heritage would be the best at getting the exposure the card deserves. I use PWCC and Probstein for the vast majority of my sales but I didn't want to roll the dice in such a limited time frame of 10 days. I do recall the Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0 you're referring to that was auctioned on eBay so the idea of PWCC or someone else on eBay is not asinine.

3. I had a nice discussion with Chris Ivy at HA and proposed the crytpocurrency idea which could open the door to a few more bidders. Him being receptive to that helped my decision.

4. And lastly, as this card is auctioning, I'm like a kid in a candy store bidding in their auction.



I did consider other auction houses like Goldin since they've done some impressive numbers on elite items. In the end, my gut was to go to HA and let it fly no reserve. Whatever happens, this is a really fun experience.

Best of luck to you and your family Evan.


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[WWG]

Just as a comparison, one of the Gem Mint cards has a slight tilt in the centering and does not compare to the one currently at auction.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by WWG

Just as a comparison, one of the Gem Mint cards has a slight tilt in the centering and does not compare to the one currently at auction.

i thought a 10 was supposed to be as perfect as a card can be?

[WWG]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i thought a 10 was supposed to be as perfect as a card can be?

According to PSA there is room for imperfection.

[barrysloate]

A 9 and a 10 are the same card but with different labels.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

A 9 and a 10 are the same card but with different labels.

ya...i know...it's just sad and a joke and it pisses me off...that's all!

[MattyC]

Evan's 9 over that tilted 10, all day.

[GaryPassamonte]

I didn't read the whole thread and maybe this has been discussed. This Mantle is the variation that has the white fleck in the blue background on the upper left. This particular Mantle also has a fleck above the cap. These faults aside, this is obviously a great card and will break all records at auction. However, these printing defects keep it, as well as the PSA 10 pictured in this thread, out of the "flawless" mint category for me. I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I'm just stating obvious concerns when dealing with graded cards and huge money.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mark evans

I'm sure this appears somewhere on the Board, but could someone please advise of the top 5 sales of cards in order of price, whether by auction or private sale?

Thanks.

I can tell you the two highest sales prices. The Wagner PSA 5 (known as the Jumbo Wagner) sold two years ago for approximately $3.1 million. Prior to that the Gretzky Wagner (PSA 8 or PSA Authentic, take your pick) sold for approximately $2.8 million in a private sale. The buyer is the owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

This Mantle appears likely to exceed both of these sales prices.

[oldjudge]

Nice card--tulipmania

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Nice card--tulipmania

I don't know Jay, there seem to be enough guys with money who really care about the numerical grade that you may be wrong.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Nice card--tulipmania

What does that mean?

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

He means it's a bubble.

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by Sean

I can tell you the two highest sales prices. The Wagner PSA 5 (known as the Jumbo Wagner) sold two years ago for approximately $3.1 million. Prior to that the Gretzky Wagner (PSA 8 or PSA Authentic, take your pick) sold for approximately $2.8 million in a private sale. The buyer is the owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

This Mantle appears likely to exceed both of these sales prices.

Thanks, Sean.

Do you happen to know the most paid to date for a 52 Mantle? Was it the 8.5 that sold for $1,150,000? PSA shows SMR for a PSA 9 at $2.5 million. Does this reflect an actual sale? Thanks.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

What does that mean?

It means some dude is salty because whatever he likes isn’t getting the attention this card is getting.

[oldjudge]

Peter-Prices can't go up if there isn't demand. The question is how long this level of demand will persist. There was plenty of demand for tulips until February 1637. Then there wasn't.
And for those who don't know the story:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3FcXeDZFc

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Peter-Prices can't go up if there isn't demand. The question is how long this level of demand will persist. There was plenty of demand for tulips until February 1637. Then there wasn't.
And for those who don't know the story:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3FcXeDZFc

Jay we aren't talking about a market-wide phenomenon, we are talking about a tiny little elite corner where all it takes are two guys going after a single card (or one guy and the house ) to sustain very high prices. And I believe there are enough of a certain profile of collector that I can see the demand persisting.

[iowadoc77]

I tend to agree with Peter... FOR NOW at least.
It takes one person who absolutely has to have it and at least one to chase until they give up.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by mark evans

Thanks, Sean.

Do you happen to know the most paid to date for a 52 Mantle? Was it the 8.5 that sold for $1,150,000? PSA shows SMR for a PSA 9 at $2.5 million. Does this reflect an actual sale? Thanks.

I think the $1.15M was highest recorded sale so far...the $2.5M estimate for a 9 is exactly that, an estimate. I think we’ll see this 9 sell for more, probably $3.5M+.

Wishing Evan all the best!

PS- maybe this sale might shake a “10” loose...we’ll see.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I think the $1.15M was highest recorded sale so far...the $2.5M estimate for a 9 is exactly that, an estimate. I think we’ll see this 9 sell for more, probably $3.5M+.

Wishing Evan all the best!

PS- maybe this sale might shake a “10” loose...we’ll see.

If I had the 10, this wouldn't be the time I'd sell it given that this should take at least one of the big players out of the market temporarily.

Gorgeous card Even. I showed this to my wife and she, at least temporarily, felt a little bad about making me sell one of mine to fund a house purchase--my card was a beater and so is my house though...

[Stonepony]

A 10 going to market would certainly be an interesting study in how much someone is willing to pay for the prestige of a 10 flip, because there is zero chance any 10 out there has better eye appeal and beauty than Evan's.

[Peter_Spaeth]

10s seem to command a huge premium across the board, and I doubt in many cases you could tell the difference from a 9. Indeed, many 10s are 9s that bumped. No reason to think it would be any different in the case of the Mantle, with the one caveat being that there are so few 9s that the gap might not be as substantial as is the norm.

[GasHouseGang]

How about we just pick the best looking Mantle. And no fair picking the PSA 9, it's just there for comparison.

[ullmandds]

Just scanned those examples wothout looking at flips...the 9 is by far the best...the 86 at the end was 2nd best to me!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Just scanned those examples wothout looking at flips...the 9 is by far the best...the 86 at the end was 2nd best to me!

Hard for me to tell because some of the scans are really overbright (the 9 is radioactive) so it's not a direct comparison. Not directed at Pete but I don't know why when it's so obvious that different scan settings yield different results, that people are always ready, willing and able to make comparisons from scans alone.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hard for me to tell because some of the scans are really overbright (the 9 is radioactive) so it's not a direct comparison. Not directed at Pete but I don't know why when it's so obvious that different scan settings yield different results, that people are always ready, willing and able to make comparisons from scans alone.

Pertinent point

[oldjudge]

I liked the 86 the best. I'm not a fan of the no line at the bottom of the logo variety.

[Stonepony]

I'm in the SGC 86 boat too

[irv]

Man, SGC grades tough!

84 then 86 for me, aside from the 9.

[TheNightmanCometh]

PSA 9 for me, but that last SGC is close

[irv]

Originally Posted by TheNightmanCometh

PSA 9 for me, but that last SGC is close

I edited my post, but I read it as "the best, other than the 9"?

[GaryPassamonte]

I'm with you Jay regarding the no line logo variety.

[calvindog]

The two SGC cards are spectacular. As is the 9.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I'm not a huge fan of either variety because I don't think it looks like him all that much. Something got a bit lost in the translation.

[pherbener]

VERY nice Peter!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pherbener

VERY nice Peter!!

not mine

[pherbener]

Still nice!

[GasHouseGang]

What do you think the odds are that PSA would cross that last SGC86 to an PSA8?

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

What do you think the odds are that PSA would cross that last SGC86 to an PSA8?

ZERO! Unless you have the balls to crack it out of the slab!!

[Jdoggs]

I like the psa 8 ending in 511 the best because of it’s sharp corners and white clean borders.
Not counting the psa 9 which is obviously the best.

[mantlefan]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

What do you think the odds are that PSA would cross that last SGC86 to an PSA8?

I think it will likely come back as "trimmed".

Aside from the PSA 9, I agree that the PSA 8 ending in 511 is the best of the lot.

[pokerplyr80]

The fact that none of those high grade examples are centered except for Evan's 9 show how hard it is to find a centered 52 Mantle. And those are cards that have probably sold for 200-500k. I agree with the consensus that the sgc 7.5 has the best eye appeal, especially if you factored in the couple hundred grand you'd save vs what either of the psa 8s would cost.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I liked the 86 the best. I'm not a fan of the no line at the bottom of the logo variety.

Learn something new every day. I had no idea there were line and no line variations on this card. I agree with you that the line versions look better.

But Evan's 9 is still, by far, the best card in the batch posted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

That's the most obvious difference between the two variations but there are a few other subtle ones as well.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Learn something new every day. I had no idea there were line and no line variations on this card. I agree with you that the line versions look better.

But Evan's 9 is still, by far, the best card in the batch posted.

Didn't know this either. Had t look at mine which is certainly not in this group grade wise, but is missing the line under the logo.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

The fact that none of those high grade examples are centered except for Evan's 9 show how hard it is to find a centered 52 Mantle.

To your centering point, this healthy sampling below is from Heritage past sales. The results on the 1951 Bowman Mantle and 1957 Topps Mantle and 1969 Topps Mantle are about as depressing for those who like centered cards. I see two with great centering.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Learn something new every day. I had no idea there were line and no line variations on this card. I agree with you that the line versions look better.

But Evan's 9 is still, by far, the best card in the batch posted.

You've got me in stitches now. Left or right, I'm not sure which one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bengoughingforawhile

you've got me in stitches now. Left or right, i'm not sure which one.

lol.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am now convinced that a fetish for perfect centering is a manifestation of OCD.

Quite a few of the cards Matt posted look very nicely centered to me.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am now convinced that a fetish for perfect centering is a manifestation of OCD.

Quite a few of the cards Matt posted look very nicely centered to me.

It may very well be, Peter I swear when I look at the borders of a card and see any sloping or one that is thinner than the other, I just cannot bid on the card. And it's gotten worse as I've gotten older!