Scarcity ratio of PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG BACKS FOR ELITE 11

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

I haven't gone after that back run but you have a good start. You want to trade? I don't just have eggs! Have grass fed beef cattle too. Organic, North Icelandic kelp fed girls. Here are some of them upside down for some reason from this morning.

No comprende. Habla espanol?

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

No comprende. Habla espanol?

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[mybuddyinc]

Interesting topic.

Just did a quick chart of PSA Pops (included Schulte, based on having a Pied.350, but not for analysis):

Elite11chart.jpg

As seen, 9 of 11 subjects have Piedmont 350 scarcer than EPDG (some by quite a bit). Only Ganley EPDG scarcer, and Ewing even. Of the 11, only 2 (Ewing and Jones) have Hindu scarcer than other two backs.

Although I didn't put it on the chart, Sovereign 150s are also a bit tougher, in to 10-15 population range.

I don't have any Pied. 350s of any of them, but a few Hindus and EPDGs. I round out my "mid-tier" Elite 11's with three SC 150/649OPS (as an aside, these three are the only Elite 11 with the SC150/649 back )

elite11me.jpg

Fun, fun, Scott

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by mybuddyinc

Interesting topic.

Just did a quick chart of PSA Pops (included Schulte, based on having a Pied.350, but not for analysis):

Attachment 289469

As seen, 9 of 11 subjects have Piedmont 350 scarcer than EPDG (some by quite a bit). Only Ganley EPDG scarcer, and Ewing even. Of the 11, only 2 (Ewing and Jones) have Hindu scarcer than other two backs.

Although I didn't put it on the chart, Sovereign 150s are also a bit tougher, in to 10-15 population range.

I don't have any Pied. 350s of any of them, but a few Hindus and EPDGs. I round out my "mid-tier" Elite 11's with three SC 150/649OPS (as an aside, these three are the only Elite 11 with the SC150/649 back )

Attachment 289468

Fun, fun, Scott

At least four of those on the pop report have been busted out by me and resold and I believe reslabbed. As I mentioned earlier, the Sov for these guys are tougher. I had an easier time sourcing the Hindu's. When I was putting these runs together I gave up on some but believe the following to be accurate in order of toughness:
Lundgren - EPDG more difficult than PD350
Ganley - PD350 then EPDG, Sov, Brown Hindu and SC150 fact30.
Jones - I believe PD350 may edge out the EPDG

[Luke]

I agree with Jeff. The EPDGs are much easier to find than the P350s for these 11 poses. Probably at a 2:1 (EPDG:P350) ratio or higher.

Everyone will have their own experiences though. Ted says he's owned 4 Piedmont 350s and only 1 EPDG. My experience the last 5 years is I've seen only one Piedmont 350 Lundgren and about 6/7 EPDGs come up for sale. 3 or 4 of them in the past few months.

At one point about a year ago, me and Jeff owned 5 different Tom Jones EPDGs between us, and 3 others have been on ebay in the last year. I've never even seen a P350 in that same time-frame.

Obviously these poses were pulled from the P350 print run early, but I don't think the same can be said about EPDGs. I think most, if not all of these poses were printed with EPDG backs for the duration of the print run. Only Dahlen seems to be truly rare. That could be because he was pulled early, or just due to the random variance of a normal distribution.

People have posted on net54 in the past that these 11 are tougher to find with EDPG than other EPDGs but the Pop numbers don't support that. Guys like Turner, Criger, Abbaticchio brown sleeves, Overall portrait are tougher to find than most of these 11 poses.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Luke

I agree with Jeff. The EPDGs are much easier to find than the P350s for these 11 poses. Probably at a 2:1 (EPDG:P350) ratio or higher.

Everyone will have their own experiences though. Ted says he's owned 4 Piedmont 350s and only 1 EPDG. My experience the last 5 years is I've seen only one Piedmont 350 Lundgren and about 6/7 EPDGs come up for sale. 3 or 4 of them in the past few months.

At one point about a year ago, me and Jeff owned 5 different Tom Jones EPDGs between us, and 3 others have been on ebay in the last year. I've never even seen a P350 in that same time-frame.

Obviously these poses were pulled from the P350 print run early, but I don't think the same can be said about EPDGs. I think most, if not all of these poses were printed with EPDG backs for the duration of the print run. Only Dahlen seems to be truly rare. That could be because he was pulled early, or just due to the random variance of a normal distribution.

People have posted on net54 in the past that these 11 are tougher to find with EDPG than other EPDGs but the Pop numbers don't support that. Guys like Turner, Criger, Abbaticchio brown sleeves, Overall portrait are tougher to find than most of these 11 poses.

Surprised to hear that about Jones. Having 5 not in circulation changes my opinion. On the other hand, I've had 3 PD350 Lundgrens at once which is a card with about a dozen known. I would challenge that the EPDG is more prevalant than the PD350's for him. I own about 60 Ganley's and have tracked them for several years. A PD350 Ganley is really tough. I gave up on the Dahlen run.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Luke

Everyone will have their own experiences though. Ted says he's owned 4 Piedmont 350s and only 1 EPDG. My experience the last 5 years is I've seen only one Piedmont 350 Lundgren and about 6/7 EPDGs come up for sale. 3 or 4 of them in the past few months.



Only Dahlen seems to be truly rare. That could be because he was pulled early, or just due to the random variance of a normal distribution.

Hey Luke

Your having seen one Lundgren / P350 in 5 years is luckier than most T206 collectors have been.

Incidently, it's 3 Lundgren's (not 4). I have been collecting T206's since 1981; therefore, acquiring only 3 - P350 Lundgren's in 36 years is certainly
proof that this front/back combo is very, very tough.

Furthermore, my experience collecting these guys is......Dahlen (Boston) is the toughest (next to Spencer) of the Elite 11. My theory explaining this
is that American Litho stopped printing the Dahlen (Boston) card since he changed teams (Boston, then Brooklyn) in late October 1909.


TED Z
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