Worch Cigar project

[MikeGarcia]

.....there's no ''shiney'' of the black or dark areas visible when you tilt and wobble into a strong light but the size difference of the subject is quite pronounced ( staring at old baseball cards is not a complete waste of time sometimes..... even the WidowGarcia was impressed with this discovery.....or at least pretended to be .)

...the '39 Exhibits have one card that has a ''projection'' notation...don't know of any others...

There is a technical term for that '' shiney''aspect of some sepia-toned photos from this era.....could someone familiar with that please say what it is ?
Thanks , MikeGarcia

... Tim....awesome project idea . Thanks.

[MikeGarcia]

....and so now we finally own a 1933 Worch Cigar Hugh Critz.....
....unusual for a Worch in that there is only the player's name , no team name or league initials .
...we haven't forgotten about you and your terrific project ,Tim....Happy Thanksgiving .

[vargha]

I used to own a handful of these. They are very cool "cards". I looked for scans that I might have, but was only able to find a sepia version of the black and white Simmons that was posted a few pages back.

[MikeGarcia]

... This was posted in the November pick-ups but never made it over to the Worch Project thread....sorry , Tim...better late than never.


....I love that hat on the lone fan up in the 'stands.

[leftygrove10]

I was lucky enough to pick up another 1933 Worch Cigar Lefty Grove card. All three cards that I have are different. These are the differences that I have found, which are shown in the picture below (I find these variations fascinating):

1. One card is black and white with the name in the box
2. One card is sepia with the name in the box
3. One card is sepia with the name in the background
4. The cards are cropped differently top to bottom (look at the distance between the hat and the top border)
5. The cards are cropped differently left to right

Based on other cards shown in this thread, I am guessing that the name in the background version also comes in black and white.

I wouldn't be that surprised if the "Name in the Box" and "Name in the Background" variations were cropped differently, but that is not the case. Different croppings are easily seen between the two "Name in the Box" cards. Interesting....

[Bugsy]

Here is the Larry Rosenthal

[ullmandds]

wow, Chris...awesome pickup!

[MikeGarcia]

.jaw-dropping awesome....that's got to be a ''1 of 1''......I just started cleaning this old scrapbook survivor for Tim N. to look at.

[Spartan]

Lets see..........at one point I started to save off every image I could find of the Worch minor league cards from here, ebay, or internet in general to try to visualize the true inventory of the set and the variations as it was completely unknown... but I gave up. I may have some images to share with you offline from here, just message me... I am certain you must have accomplished far more than I did and I am VERY interesting in the final compilation. What a bizarre coincidence.

The Worch Cigars I have from the minor league series are: Andy Cohen (fielding), PSA 6.5; Joe Hauser (batting) PSA 5; Spencer Harris SGC 60; Walt Tauscher SGC 60; Fabian Gafke SGC 60........... and I don't think this is minor League but a PSA 3 Pepper Martin. Thought I had more, but that might be about right

John

[Bridwell]

Here's Tony Lazzeri:

[MikeGarcia]

....young rising star for the Cleveland Indians , Mel Harder , who stayed with them for decades after his playing days ended.

...The Wheaties photo/card is slightly taller than the Worch Cigar issue.

[johnmh71]

I thought the 1934 Gold Medal Foods cards were of Tiger and Cardinal players only?

[MikeGarcia]

....great action photo....

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

I thought the 1934 Gold Medal Foods cards were of Tiger and Cardinal players only?

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

I thought the 1934 Gold Medal Foods cards were of Tiger and Cardinal players only?

[MikeGarcia]

[MikeGarcia]

...well-preserved images , still glossy . Seller says they had all been kept in a book by his deceased father-in-law since they were new...

[nolemmings]

Mike,

Don't know if you saw the question asked in the March pickups thread but did that Rosenthal come off the poster that sold on Ebay last month? I was the underbidder and the seller couldn't tell me whether the poster was professional (he said it had no advertising markings) but it looked like it was more than just home made. Interesting in that the few "action" poses all have photo credits (except McManus) and the portraits apparently do not.

[ullmandds]

what did that poster sell for...if it's the same rosenthal it's a shame it was destroyed!

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

what did that poster sell for...if it's the same rosenthal it's a shame it was destroyed!

There were two posters sold as '' Worch '', one composed of Minneapolis Millers from 1935 , and the St. Paul Saints poster ; you can search the ''completed'' on E-Bay for the sale records with the original seller's information and photos and descriptions......... only some can be positively identified as '' 1933 Worch Cigar Premiums '' , most are portrait mug-shots with identical hand-printed white lettering and attributed to both the Minneapolis Star and the Minneapolis Journal : I've posted the Fabian Gaffke in the March Pick-ups , last week I believe...
---all the Saints' mug-shots have ''photo by Saint Paul Daily News'' while the two definitely-Worch issues use ''St. Paul'' instead of ''Saint Paul''....I haven't gotten a close look at the McManus yet--no time....the cleaning/restoration will take a while ; there were nineteen intact complete Saints and twenty Millers...I had been worried that they were all trimmed and pasted but as it turned out the large poster had pre-cut recessed holes and the complete photos were precisely placed onto the back , and perfectly fitted to the holes so that the white borders were not visible.....no damage beyond the 1930's thin narrow construction tape used on the edges of the blank backs to hold the photos in place......the tape is dry and brittle and the adhesive is barely holding the photos ......I'm being very careful with these as they are delicate and fragile and very much in need of a cleaning....

[ullmandds]

I tried to find them the other day but couldnt...how were they listed?

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I tried to find them the other day but couldnt...how were they listed?

.....'' Sports Mem.>photos ...type ''Worch'' then click on the ''sold'' on the left...

[ullmandds]

wow...great pickups...they went cheap.

[MikeGarcia]

.....''Mpls Star Photo''

...I can't make out the first name on the Acosta photo/card.... cap looks like a Milwaukee Brewers '30's - '40's minor league..... ?? Not a Worch... anybody know the Acosta kid ?

[Harford20]

That is a photo of Julio Acosta from the 1940's Minneapolis Millers.

[MikeGarcia]

Hi Tim. Hang in there. Good hunting at the National. Take lots of money though.

[timn1]

Hoping to score a few Worches again this year... I missed those ones in April, alas.

Tim

[MikeGarcia]

.....the PSA flip didn't mention the ''no background'' ; it usually does.

....this makes three different Joe Glenns , all using the same photo but with three different backdrops.

...Completing this set with all the variations is getting pricey but fortunately I made a big score at the National last week when I sold three S&S ''complete sets '' to some fat kid.

[Koufax32fan]

Here is an Andy Cohen

[MikeGarcia]

...so at least two variations of Wally Tauscher exist ; hang in there , Tim...

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[MikeGarcia]

..sepia-toned..

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[MikeGarcia]

..full background , also in sepia.

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[MikeGarcia]

...both are the glossy black and white type.

...Tim ?? National ??

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[timn1]

Good to meet you at Natl!

I have been moving house since the National- haven't had a chance to do anything with cards. Will post a response when I have a little time. Didn't see many Worches in Atlantic City...

[MartyFromCANADA]

Hello Worch collectors,

The checklist for this set includes George Gibson, who would have been the Pittsburgh manger at the time. Do any of you know if this card exists?
Does anyone have a scan?

Thanks, Marty

[timn1]

but there are a lot of the major leaguers that haven't been seen, at least recently. One of the old timers from whom the checklists were derived (such as Larry Fritsch) would be the likeliest to have confirmation. I know he had a lot of Worches. Until Larry's collection comes into the hobby we may be stuck with the checklists.

On the other hand, if someone does confirm Gibson to you, I would like to know about it too!

Thanks,
Tim

[MartyFromCANADA]

Thanks for the info Tim.

Originally Posted by timn1

but there are a lot of the major leaguers that haven't been seen, at least recently. One of the old timers from whom the checklists were derived (such as Larry Fritsch) would be the likeliest to have confirmation. I know he had a lot of Worches. Until Larry's collection comes into the hobby we may be stuck with the checklists.

On the other hand, if someone does confirm Gibson to you, I would like to know about it too!

Thanks,
Tim

[MikeGarcia]

...the "full background" version is the new pick-up..

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[Kawika]

Sweet cards all. My one and only Worch but it's a winner.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Sweet cards all. My one and only Worch but it's a winner.

.....Before there was " 1953 Bowman Color" , there was "1933 Worch Cigar"..

..absolute capital WOW on the Richards...

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

.....Before there was " 1953 Bowman Color" , there was "1933 Worch Cigar"..

..absolute capital WOW on the Richards...

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Agreed. I love the Goudey and the Worch I love way more.
Great stuff!!

[BobC]

Here's one I haven't seen posted yet.

[MikeGarcia]

...The new one is the 4(MK) "Dutch Holland" "MPLS Journal Photo"...it's a glossy...the "Holland" "Photo By Mpls. Star" is a sepia but there is also a glossy version of that one posted several pages back...

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[Clydewally]

I have dickey, foxx, Hartnett, Klein and Simmons. I have never figured out how to upload photos, but I can email you scans if helpful.

[MikeGarcia]

.. New : The 4(MK) "MPLS. Journal Photo" . It is a faded sepia finish.....the "Photo By Mpls Star" is a sepia also but the surface is mint. There is a glossy version of that one also ; it's already in this thread , several pages back..

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[MikeGarcia]

...probably the last picture of Crowder in a Washington uniform ; one lucky guy : he went to the Detroit Tigers in time for the 1934 World Series....he won 83 games in four seasons....not too shabby

..Chalmer Cissel is watching tonight's game seven from high above and prolly grinnin' ear to ear...

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[Leon]

My only current Worch...Love some of these real photo type cards. It really shows the player's features and lets you get a better idea of them than most of the non real photo type cards we collect....

[timn1]

Hi everyone,

Thanks to all who have posted in this long-lived and informative thread over the past 5 years (wait... what? What happened to those five years?)

I am still actively researching the Worch sets and would love to get any additional info that any of you have about variations, additions to checklists, and images of certain players that supposedly exist but have not been seen lately.

I am also gathering scans of as many Worches as I can find from the web, from N54, auction houses, and so on. I will post a list of the images I need for the "virtual collection," and hopefully some of you can help with those-

Always looking for Worches that I need, and I do have a couple of nice dupes to swap for them.... (sorry Leon for the BST violation)

Tim

[timn1]

Hi all,

I would love to verify the existence of some of these players in the Worch American Association set.

Braman
James Brown
Coleman
Fette
Guiliani (portrait)
Joyner
Mowry (batting)
Packard
Ruble (background visible)
Shiver
Sundra
Van Atta

I do believe the above players exist, because the most complete collection I am aware of has them in SGC graded form, although I have not seen them.

The players below are more doubtful. That extensive collection does not contain them, nor have they turned up in my net searches. They are either in an SCD or Beckett checklist, but we know sometimes those sources were prone to mistakes or even to making up nonexistent "cards". I personally doubt the existence of many or most of these guys in Worch, so if you do have one, PLMK!

Berger (checklists may be mistaken in listing Wally Berger (MLB) here)
Boken
Fischall
Grimes
Hunter
Mails
Mills
Norman
Petty (outfield wall visible)
Rezotko
Rigney
Stine
Charles Wilson

[MikeGarcia]

....I previously posted these in the recent monthly "pick-ups" threads ( I think ? ) but never got around to adding them to the project thread.... the Huck Betts is from Thankgiving --not a lot of Huck Betts cards out there---..there's more Worch pick-ups lying around......lemme look....


...really want to see the most recent "complete set" checklist ;; I hope I'm closing in on fifty percent.....


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