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Old 03-14-2019, 09:05 AM
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Default Nice price last night on a 58 Aaron SGC 7

3/13/19 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions c***g 30 $1,159.00
10/11/17 eBay Image pwcc_auctions r***g 8 $192.50
8/14/16 eBay Image bigmac1960 d***s Best Offer $210.00
2/18/16 eBay Image carterscards2006 r***d 19 $146.50
1/8/16 Goodwin Image 8 $261.60
6/29/15 eBay Image carterscards2006 k***u 28 $243.50
12/16/14 eBay Image vccllc 2***_ 18 $213.50
2/10/14 Heritage Image 5 $215.00

Yes it was well-centered. It also had a divot or something on the left side. WT..... is going on here?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/401720399...2047675.l10137
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:30 AM
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3/13/19 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions c***g 30 $1,159.00
10/11/17 eBay Image pwcc_auctions r***g 8 $192.50
8/14/16 eBay Image bigmac1960 d***s Best Offer $210.00
2/18/16 eBay Image carterscards2006 r***d 19 $146.50
1/8/16 Goodwin Image 8 $261.60
6/29/15 eBay Image carterscards2006 k***u 28 $243.50
12/16/14 eBay Image vccllc 2***_ 18 $213.50
2/10/14 Heritage Image 5 $215.00

Yes it was well-centered. It also had a divot or something on the left side. WT..... is going on here?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/401720399...2047675.l10137
Peter do you seriously have to even ask anymore?
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:36 AM
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Peter do you seriously have to even ask anymore?
Well Ben, every time an insane price is discussed there are people who try to rationalize it, so I'm waiting.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:38 AM
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Well Ben, every time an insane price is discussed there are people who try to rationalize it, so I'm waiting.
Yes and there is a very good reason those people rationalize it. I am sure you know why that is also.
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I attribute it to the new SGC website.
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PWCC seems to be becoming one of the top auction houses. Unreal.
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PWCC seems to be becoming one of the top auction houses. Unreal.
They are, and for good reason, but that does not explain a price this far disproportionate to any reasonable assessment of value.
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Just imagine what the price would've been with a PWCC High End sticker on it!
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3/13/19 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions c***g 30 $1,159.00
10/11/17 eBay Image pwcc_auctions r***g 8 $192.50
8/14/16 eBay Image bigmac1960 d***s Best Offer $210.00
2/18/16 eBay Image carterscards2006 r***d 19 $146.50
1/8/16 Goodwin Image 8 $261.60
6/29/15 eBay Image carterscards2006 k***u 28 $243.50
12/16/14 eBay Image vccllc 2***_ 18 $213.50
2/10/14 Heritage Image 5 $215.00

Yes it was well-centered. It also had a divot or something on the left side. WT..... is going on here?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/401720399...2047675.l10137
That IS a nice price. And I wouldn't buy that card at that price...

But before we really start piling on, it should be noted that the comps Peter pulled are a bit old. The most recent one is nearly 1.5 years old, the second-most recent more than a year older than that and all others range from three to five years prior to this sale. And if we are going to draw strong conclusions on a sale, I'd prefer to have more recent comps (and a decent number of more recent comps) to base them on.
It strikes me as ironic that on a board with an unofficial motto of "Buy the card, not the holder," that an impressive return on an impressive card is criticized. That is a fine example of that card (and really - why didn't it get the HE/purple label/etc. treatment?) and I don't begrudge the new owner at all for going above and beyond in acquiring it. I've spent more than the going rate on a few cards in my time when it was something I really wanted, as I think most collectors have at some point, even if I wouldn't come close to putting this much money on this specific card.
And if anybody here has cards on my want list that they'd part with for prices from a few years ago, please get in touch!
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An absolute killer PSA 7 far nicer than this card with a divot and print issues just sold for 600 or so. Next argument?
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An absolute killer PSA 7 far nicer than this card with a divot and print issues just sold for 600 or so. Next argument?
Got a link? It'd be good to make that comparison.
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Old 03-14-2019, 11:09 AM
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Old 03-14-2019, 11:13 AM
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Dang, that's a smokin' Aaron. If that went for $600-ish recently, the PWCC one is crazy - particularly since it's SGC and the $600-ish one is PSA so I'd think the registry folks would provide a bump...
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An absolute killer PSA 7 far nicer than this card with a divot and print issues just sold for 600 or so. Next argument?
It's just my opinion but, to me, the SGC 7 is much nicer than the PSA 7. The PSA 7, really looks like a 6 or 6.5 to me. Look at that bottom left corner. That alone should have kept it out of a 7 holder. On the other hand, the SGC 7 has much sharper corners and really looks like a 7.5 or 8 to me. If I were buying one of those two cards and the price was the same, I would pick the SGC hands down.
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Not all buyers check sold listings, check VCP, check available comps and wait for a bargain.

Some people just see a card they like and buy it.

I bet most of the people that buy off PWCC have never heard of VCP.
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The PSA 7 is a nice card but comparing the SGC to the PSA 7, the SGC 7 is a bit better. Not $500+ better, imo. The final price really does not make sense but many instances have been pointed out here where cards have sold for numbers far in excess of what previous examples have gone for.
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Yes it was well-centered. It also had a divot or something on the left side. WT..... is going on here?
Based on your numbers, it looks like the previous record for this card in this grade was $243.50. This auction had 8 different bidders well over that amount. It had 4 different bidders over $600 (the PSA card you reference). Sure, maybe 1 or 2 might have been false bids, but that many?
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The top 4 bidders have zero retractions. Is it still possible something is going on? Sure. But you're going to have to be far cleverer than I am to catch someone. So you wind up coming across that like Simpson's GIF:

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PWCC definitely gets top prices. I put in what I thought was a strong late bid for the Goodwin King Kelly and got blown away, to put it mildly.
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The top 4 bidders have zero retractions. Is it still possible something is going on? Sure. But you're going to have to be far cleverer than I am to catch someone. So you wind up coming across that like Simpson's GIF:

Retractions, LOL. They haven't been used for shilling auctions in a very long time. Maybe some idiots still use them but the big guys have been using other methods for several years.

This post has nothing to do with this auction or seller, just on how shilling has evolved.
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Retractions, LOL. They haven't been used for shilling auctions in a very long time. Maybe some idiots still use them but the big guys have been using other methods for several years.

This post has nothing to do with this auction or seller, just on how shilling has evolved.
I understand, but my point is with ebay's anonymous system I think it's impossible to catch them so what's the point? I mean the run up of 2016 didn't rely on retractions but the PWCC guys did for a lot longer simply because they could.
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PWCC definitely gets top prices. I put in what I thought was a strong late bid for the Goodwin King Kelly and got blown away, to put it mildly.
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eBay is a different auction format. If I want to win a 1964 Bob Lillis SGC 96 that I think is worth about $35, then I need to bid in the dark $50 if I want a chance to win, and if I really want it, I need to bid $200. That I win it for $28.69 after bidding $50 encourages me to do that the next time because I bid $33 on the Ken Johnson which sold for $34. I would let both go at $40 in a traditional, turn taking auction format.
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[.QUOTE=RCMcKenzie;1862606]eBay is a different auction format. If I want to win a 1964 Bob Lillis SGC 96 that I think is worth about $35, then I need to bid in the dark $50 if I want a chance to win, and if I really want it, I need to bid $200. That I win it for $28.69 after bidding $50 encourages me to do that the next time because I bid $33 on the Ken Johnson which sold for $34. I would let both go at $40 in a traditional, turn taking auction format.[/quote]
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