Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[mrvster]

will be caught....he/she left their stank all over ebay........

but who is to say there are not a few of them????


auto buyers beware,......JSA and SGC and PSA are clueless sometimes...

like I said, it is their "opinion"

[T206Collector]

I found one myself this morning:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ton-1734136080

https://huntauctions.com/phone/image...9&lot_num=1010

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I found one myself this morning:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ton-1734136080

https://huntauctions.com/phone/image...9&lot_num=1010

Another nice *and sad* catch all at once. That took a 20 dollar card and made it into a 1200 dollar card.....

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Another nice *and sad* catch all at once. That took a 20 dollar card and made it into a 1200 dollar card.....

Given what I know about the pattern of signed T206 sales over the past 11 years, I feel a responsibility to track down as much info as I can, even if it diminishes my collection and discourages collectors from participating in the hobby. It needs to be done.

[baseballfan]

great work all, very interesting to see/read this.

[BLongley]

I’m just pointing out a fact we can all see, but it seems whoever the forger is was submitting to SGC and JSA for the authentication. I haven’t seen a PSA/DNA one pop up yet...not that they aren’t out there to... I’m not a big autograph collector but this is definitely a bad look for those two companies and as I understand it JSA used to do the authentication work for SGC.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by BLongley

I’m just pointing out a fact we can all see, but it seems whoever the forger is was submitting to SGC and JSA for the authentication. I haven’t seen a PSA/DNA one pop up yet...not that they aren’t out there to... I’m not a big autograph collector but this is definitely a bad look for those two companies and as I understand it JSA used to do the authentication work for SGC.

In fairness to SGC, they correctly rejected a JSA authenticated autograph. That rejection started all of this discovery in the first place.

[1treasuretrove]

I’ll say this...

I would imagine most collectors that have a signed card authenticated for resale would not choose JSA or SGC. This is nothing against either company but is specifically related to cards. If someone were selling a signed 8x10 photo, resale value would typically remain the same.

For signed cards, I would think the most typical choice for resale would be PSA/DNA or BAS. Modern cards (e.g. Mike Trout signed rookie) should sell for the same amount with either PSA or BAS and some collectors might prefer the Beckett holder. For vintage cards, it is without question (for me) PSA/DNA for resale.

If I see someone post a signed vintage card in an SGC holder on a message board when showing off their collection...I figure it must just be brand loyalty or preference to the holder type. If I see someone selling a signed vintage card with anything other than PSA, I figure it must have previously failed PSA. While failing PSA is of course no true verification that an autograph isn’t authentic, the holder itself holds more weight.

This might not be true for everyone but this is how I see it when determining resale. I use all 4 companies for resale but it is based on item type and tier.

EDITED TO ADD:
This thread shows some amazing work of the members here. While the ffindings are sad and I feel for the buyers, there is always some level of fraud in everything and it must be exposed. Tremendous work and great collaborative discussion on a necessary topic for our hobby.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by mrvster

will be caught....he/she left their stank all over ebay........

but who is to say there are not a few of them????


auto buyers beware,......JSA and SGC and PSA are clueless sometimes...

like I said, it is their "opinion"

MRVSTER,

I once met Wayne Gretzky and his dad Walter in the lobby of the local Sheraton Hotel. Wayne signed his upper deck card VERY nicely on the front in Sharpie and I then asked Walter to sign the back as I thought that would be cool. He signed it very nicely I might add. I then thought, this would look nice in a PSA/DNA holder........they REJECTED it with no explanation. Charged me $25 plus shipping so maybe $40 altogether and I got the card back raw!?!?! I also provided them the exact date and time the card was signed by both. UGH!!!!!!!

Peace, Mike

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

I once met Wayne Gretzky and his dad Walter in the lobby of the local Sheraton Hotel. Wayne signed his upper deck card VERY nicely on the front in Sharpie and I then asked Walter to sign the back as I thought that would be cool. He signed it very nicely I might add. I then thought, this would look nice in a PSA/DNA holder........they REJECTED it with no explanation.

Did their website say they had exemplars of Wayne Gretzky's DAD's autograph to compare against? Sounds like you got too cute with it.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Did their website say they had exemplars of Wayne Gretzky's DAD's autograph to compare against? Sounds like you got too cute with it.

I've never been mistaken for cute.

Hahahahahha!

Peace, Mike