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Old Yesterday, 01:39 PM
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I won't share details since the sellers don't want to provide a "playbook" to other fraudster buyers, but eBay's always side with the Buyer policy has completely gotten out of hand. I guess that they have overreacted and don't want to be liable for selling knock off/damaged goods so they deem that the less vulnerable path is to always side with the buyer. 2 examples:

#1. Buyer wants return due to damaged holder. Returns worthless common in lieu of original card. Seller still chasing eBay to provide redress.

#2. Buyer buys "sealed unopened box". Upon opening all packs and failing to pull desired high value rookie demands refund and eBay sides with Buyer.

In both instances sellers were legitimate high volume sellers with significant transactional flows.
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Just now I came across a 1935 Goudey Ruth graded GAI 7.5 The seller also notes that SGC has determined that the card is trimmed. To be honest if SGC can determine trimming then PSA should also be able to determine trimming in the case. And that would change my perspective on this thread. I sided with buyer because I do not think it is ok to sell altered cards in a case. And I still think that.
But in this case the buyer could have left the card in the GAI case and submitted to PSA. Then seller would have refunded money and got his card and case intact and offered it for sale just like the Ruth.
In the end Seller loss was not the $5k vs what he can sell a raw trimmed 33 Gehrig for. It is what he would have sold GAI 7 listed as trimmed vs raw Gehrig listed as trimmed. Which is much less in dollar terms.
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Just now I came across a 1935 Goudey Ruth graded GAI 7.5 The seller also notes that SGC has determined that the card is trimmed. To be honest if SGC can determine trimming then PSA should also be able to determine trimming in the case. And that would change my perspective on this thread. I sided with buyer because I do not think it is ok to sell altered cards in a case. And I still think that.
But in this case the buyer could have left the card in the GAI case and submitted to PSA. Then seller would have refunded money and got his card and case intact and offered it for sale just like the Ruth.
In the end Seller loss was not the $5k vs what he can sell a raw trimmed 33 Gehrig for. It is what he would have sold GAI 7 listed as trimmed vs raw Gehrig listed as trimmed. Which is much less in dollar terms.
Jonathan
Do we know if PSA said the alteration on the Gehrig was a trim? Perhaps it was something more subtle, that only came to light after being cracked out. Again, info from the buyer would be helpful.....

If an altered card remains in a "7" holder, it's likely that somewhere down the line, a seller will (conveniently) forget to mention the alteration.
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Just now I came across a 1935 Goudey Ruth graded GAI 7.5 The seller also notes that SGC has determined that the card is trimmed. To be honest if SGC can determine trimming then PSA should also be able to determine trimming in the case. And that would change my perspective on this thread. I sided with buyer because I do not think it is ok to sell altered cards in a case. And I still think that.
But in this case the buyer could have left the card in the GAI case and submitted to PSA. Then seller would have refunded money and got his card and case intact and offered it for sale just like the Ruth.
In the end Seller loss was not the $5k vs what he can sell a raw trimmed 33 Gehrig for. It is what he would have sold GAI 7 listed as trimmed vs raw Gehrig listed as trimmed. Which is much less in dollar terms.
Jonathan
True, regarding the actual dollar loss...

But regarding the portion of your statement in bold... PSA cannot even detect trimming (or lack thereof) with cards residing outside of the slab. This has been documented over and over again, with new examples pouring in on a daily basis. And many of the trimmed cards (residing in numbered slabs) are missing huge portions of their original borders. So I would not put too much stock in their ability to detect trimming, whether inside or outside of the holder.

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