T206 Blue Old Mill

[chris]

Anyone ever hear of a T206 Blue Old Mill?
There is one for sale here at the National.

[atx840]

Reprint....avoid

[lharri3600]

yep chris RUN!!!!

[chris]

It's not a reprint. Several people have looked at it and it's definitely a real card.

[barrysloate]

Can you fill us in on some more details? I've never heard of that before.

[atx840]

You'd likely know if its real or not, very odd though.

[t206hound]

someone must have a smartphone nearby...

[mrvster]

You always find some gemz.....GET A PIC post it!!

[chris]

The card is at SGC, I'll post a pic once it gets back.

[mrvster]

Chris!!!

SWEET !! u picked it up>>??? smart to have it graded.....

We are dying to see!

[barrysloate]

Well if it's at SGC then it's starting to sound real. Amazing.

[judsonhamlin]

I will be skeptical until it gets a grade from SGC. Is it a Uzit blue or a Polar Bear blue?

[chris]

The card is not mine. It's polar bear blue. I'll post a pic soon.

[willworkforT206]

Assuming the card is legit, I'm not really suprised to hear that such a card exists. Since minor color variations exist with Old Mill SL and Lenox (Black/Brown) backs, I've always wondered why other backs don't exist in more than one color. Why aren't there green, red or brown Piedmonts for example...or maybe blue, green or black Sweet Caporals?

I suppose using green ink to print Piedmont or Sweet Caporal backs would be such a blatant disregard for quality control that ALC wouldn't do it, or maybe ATC wouldn't tolerate it. But maybe using brown ink instead of black to print a Lenox back for example was more acceptable or within a certain level of tolerance. Using blue ink instead of black to print an Old Mill back seems like it might be along the same lines. I presume it's more noticable though.

I guess the only thing that does suprise me is that something like this hasn't surfaced before now.

Steve

[willworkforT206]

Darn! I just checked all 36 of my T206s with Old Mill backs and not one of them is blue.

I wonder if any Cycle or Tolstoi backs were printed in blue that day.

Steve

[ullmandds]

i'm surprised such a card exists!!!!! after all of these years...noone's ever seen one? Faded Black ink? A scrap of some sort? Very odd?! I'm very intrigued by such a T206.

[Blunder19]

wheres the pic?

[CMIZ5290]

Very intriguing, in all my years collecting t206s, i have never heard of such a card.....

[npa589]

If everything ends up checking out, this discovery would cause insanity.

Would this reveal anything with regard to the printing process of the backs? Now, granted I don't know a whole lot about it - but the "plate" they used, perhaps they wet the wrong side with the blue layer of ink, and then printed that particular Old mill card with the blue ink???


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[atx840]

Hopefully it's real. A blue OM sheet could have 50 - 100+ cards on it, I would think a few would have been seen by now. Similar to the brown Lenox/OM, it could be only a few sheets of each was printed.

Maybe it's like the OM overprints and was a one off test run. Patiently waiting

[Leon]

Most very experienced people who have looked at it think it's real. We will have a better idea if SGC, although not infallible, grades it. I think we will know by tomorrow. I haven't personally looked at it.

[MVSNYC]

this thread has the same vibe as our infamous April Fool's Joe Jackson T206 proof...i'd be shocked if it were real. after all these years, and with all of the collective knowledge on the board, no one has ever heard of this before.

[mrvster]

the suspense is killing me!!

I NEED TO SEE THIS CARD

[White Borders]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

this thread has the same vibe as our infamous April Fool's Joe Jackson T206 proof...i'd be shocked if it were real. after all these years, and with all of the collective knowledge on the board, no one has ever heard of this before.

There were also, a few years ago, Old Mill Southern Leagues with black overprint bar(s) that were found to be forgeries by T206Museum.com.

[MVSNYC]

I remember that well.

Anyway, Blue Old Mill sounds very suspect. I'd love to be surprised here, as a new discovery would be great, but I doubt it's legit.

[wolf441]

Anything new on the potential blue Old Mill back? False alarm?

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I remember that well.

Anyway, Blue Old Mill sounds very suspect. I'd love to be surprised here, as a new discovery would be great, but I doubt it's legit.

I'm with Michael on this one. I'm not getting my hopes up until we see a pic of this card in an SGC slab. Hopefully that will be soon too.

Best

AndyH

[ethicsprof]

This must be one of those rebacked things.
Just can't see it being real.
best,
barry

The card is slabbed. if anyone wants to upload pics I can email them to you. The uploader isn't resizing pics for me and I cant resize phone pics

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

This must be one of those rebacked things.
Just can't see it being real.
best,
barry

+1

As others have said, I think we would have seen a few others by now...it's been 103 years.

[barrysloate]

So it's real. How is it possible that noone has seen an example before? Or does somebody have one and he's keeping it a secret?

[CMIZ5290]

does anyone know what grade sgc gave it?

[ethicsprof]

i guess those of us missing the national are having our Ashton K.
moment.

[atx840]

Andrew's pics. My oh my.

[barrysloate]

I guess that is blue, although a very dark shade close to black. Is SGC sure this is original and the blue wasn't added at a later date? How did they test it?

Edited to say it would be too difficult for color to be added later. Okay, it's a blue.

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I guess that is blue, although a very dark shade close to black. Is SGC sure this is original and the blue wasn't added at a later date? How did they test it?

Good point Barry. I wonder how they did test it. Did they have anything to compare it to at the current location?

Tony

[barrysloate]

Tony- while you were posting I edited mine. It would be pretty tough to add blue given the configuration and design on the back. Not impossible, but really a challenge.

[canjond]

Is it just me who still cannot see the photos?

[atx840]

Maybe faded or chemical, ABs have turned blue.

[barrysloate]

Chris- are you saying a chemical could be applied to change the color of the ink?

[bbcard1]

What's that? The sound of 1000 advanced back collectors all saying,"Damn" at exactly the same time...

[vintagetoppsguy]

The borders look too wide. Hand cut printer's scrap?

[CobbSpikedMe]

Absolutely amazing. And Ed Walsh no less. I can't believe we've never seen one before. I guess these things happen at the National huh?

[ValKehl]

I am always dubious whenever I see a card whose corners appear to be so evenly and badly rounded, especially when the remainder of the card shows relatively less wear.
Val

[atx840]

Chemicals have changed the fronts, certain backs likely could, not sure about black though.

[canjond]

Back...

[felada]

Black/ brown can degrade to blue however it depends on the composition of the ink

[Blunder19]

how fast will that hit an auction house... lol... I say 30 days

[atx840]

Very neat to see, thanks for taking those Andrew.

[packs]

Does anyone think the font on the front is very black like the reprints we commonly see? That is usually a tell tale sign, no?