The real truth about Peter Nash

[Peter_Spaeth]

He can do what he wants, Leon, but JC raised the subject himself in post 17, and then purported to justify not returning stolen property in post 21. So I'm just asking a logical follow up question.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He can do what he wants, Leon, but JC raised the subject himself in post 17, and then purported to justify not returning stolen property in post 21. So I'm just asking a logical follow up question.

Forget the not telling you part, i would just say F OFF to you if I were him. I have firsthand knowledge very few (except one close hobby friend) have on returning things to the NYPL . Just my opinion, everyone has one, some more informed than others. I am done but I will tell you this, I am 100% on JC's side on this.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Forget the not telling you part, i would just say F OFF to you if I were him. I have firsthand knowledge very few (except one close hobby friend) have on returning things to the NYPL . Just my opinion, everyone has one, some more informed than others. I am done but I will tell you this, I am 100% on JC's side on this.

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I am sure he is glad of your support.

[david_l]

I don't want to stir the pot but Leon, it seems like you're taking a hear/see no evil philosophy to items stolen from archives and other public collections. You seem like a decent guy so I guess I just want to clarify.

I don't want to turn this into a flame war or anything but being that I'm an archivist myself, it's important for me to understand the viewpoint of the board's moderator/owner so I can make my own decision if I should keep participating in the community. I do know the history of your card and the NYPL. Your previous statement gave me pause though.

Post #21 talks about hoping to wait out an archive with the hopes that stolen materials will eventually be legally yours (not likely btw). That deeply concerns me on many different levels. What about you?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by david_l

I don't want to stir the pot but Leon, it seems like you're taking a hear/see no evil philosophy to items stolen from archives and other public collections. You seem like a decent guy so I guess I just want to clarify.

I don't want to turn this into a flame war or anything but being that I'm an archivist myself, it's important for me to understand the viewpoint of the board's moderator/owner so I can make my own decision if I should keep participating in the community. I do know the history of your card and the NYPL. Your previous statement gave me pause though.

Post #21 talks about hoping to wait an archive out so that stolen materials will eventually be [I]legally[\/i] yours. That deeply concerns me on many different levels. What about you?

David, From what I have been told by reliable sources I believe the NYPL committed gross negligence many (20?) years ago in not trying to get their stuff back while it was being sold at auction or a lot of this could have been prevented. When they chose to look the other way, to me, it made the future issues their own and not anyone else's. I should add, otherwise I agree with you, when things can be proven they were stolen they should be returned.

[Peter_Spaeth]

So JC now has good title because the NYPL was not diligent enough in seeking to recover the card 20 years ago? Because if he doesn't have good title, it ain't his. And if it ain't his, it's still the NYPL's, and he should return it. But he can tell me to F off.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So JC now has good title because the NYPL was not diligent enough in seeking to recover the card 20 years ago? Because if he doesn't have good title, it ain't his. And if it ain't his, it's still the NYPL's, and he should return it. But he can tell me to F off.

I am saying it is my belief, from what I have been told (and reiterated to on a phone call a minute ago) that the NYPL should possibly be held accountable for their gross negligence. I am not a lawyer but I believe a case of equitable estoppel could potentially be made, from reading what that is on Wiki . The NYPL was told what was going on and chose to ignore it.

If I take something from your house and you see me and let me go, can you come back to me 20 yrs later and say you want the item back and be successful?

I have his two Images Of America books in my baseball library, the one on on the Royal Rooters and Baseball Legends of Brooklyn's Green-Wood Cemetery, both of which, in my opinion, are pretty good. Now he's lower than a cockroach. What a waste.