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Old 01-01-2018, 06:33 PM
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Default Graded "A"....for "AFFORDABILITY"....a different viewpoint on collecting graded cards

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Circa 7 years ago, I acquired this "A" graded Jennings card for my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (AB 460) sub-set. This "one hand" version of Jennings
is a very tough card to find with an AB 460 back. So, I was happy to get it, especially since it cost me only $120.

Anyway, I thought it was sort of laughable that any T206 AB card could be deemed "evidence of trimmed".



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Well, as most of you guys who have followed my Net54 threads these past 12 years know....I'm not really a fan of graded cards. And, this here post exemplifies one (of several)
reasons why I feel this way. About a year ago, I cracked open the aforementioned AB 460 Jennings (graded SGC A), and submitted it to SGC.
Surprise, surprise ! SGC graded it this time SGC 60......Don't misconstrue, I'm certainly not complaining....but ? ?



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Old 01-01-2018, 08:14 PM
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I once saw someone post that they would "rather have a card with a hole in it than to have a hole in their album", or something to that effect. I agree with that completely. I am not typically bothered by an "A" label, though I would agree a lot of it depends on why exactly it received this designation.

If I see a card I like I will try to acquire it whether it has an "A" or not. In some cases you have no other option.

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i don’t mind “authentic” cards that are trimmed. “authentic” cards that have been rebacked bother me though.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:31 PM
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I have no problem filling a hole with an "A". Can't be picky sometimes.

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Old 01-01-2018, 09:38 PM
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I used to toy with the idea of exclusively buying T206 HOFers with the A designation due to trimming and building the set that way. It would save me a lot of money, which would have made a set possible for me and my budget. Even thought I would then crack them out and have an entire T206 set in a binder.

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Aren’t all Brown Old Mills hand-cut, meaning they will inevitably be graded A? Are there any brown Old Mills with number grades?
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Aren’t all Brown Old Mills hand-cut, meaning they will inevitably be graded A? Are there any brown Old Mills with number grades?
There shouldn't be any with numeric grades. They are all hand cut.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:10 PM
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Depends on the reason the card got the A. My preference is to stay away from trimmed or recolored cards. Sometimes with Old Judges you can't avoid rebacking since some cards were originally skinned to mount them in scrap books. That I can live with if there is no other choice. So in answer to the original question I would not do the swaps you are doing.

Hey Jay

The graded cards I had of these cards in Post #1 here were acquired many, many moons ago (at very inexpensive prices). And, they were sold for quite a good profit.
As, I have stated before....I'm not a fan of graded cards. But, that is how the "game" is played nowadays. Therefore, I go with the flow.
In my opinion, card grading can be arbitrary at best. Take for example my AB 460 Jennings card story in Post #21. Or, consider the Gretzky Wagner (PSA 8).....while
its "sheet-mate" (Charlie Conlon's PIEDMONT 150 Plank) was graded an "A". There is something very wrong with this picture.

So Jay, I appreciate your opinion. However this is one of our rare occasions where I have to disagree with you.

Anyhow, my Grandson Ron will ultimately inherit my collection. Ron knows more about BB and BB cards than most guys his young age.






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Old 01-03-2018, 06:31 PM
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"A" cards can be pretty good bargains.

I'm not really big on trimmed cards, or cards that are altered, but like anyone who buys nice looking ungraded cards a few end up with me. A couple of the T206s look really nice even knowing they're trimmed.

One thing to keep in mind is what the grading company will give an A grade for. I'm not familiar with any besides SGC, so this is mostly about them.

They use "A" fairly broadly, meaning that in addition to altered cards, I think any card that is genuine but for a variety of reasons shouldn't get a number grade will get an "A" grade. Considering the perceptions of the average collector that's probably a good idea.
When I sent cards in I always requested not getting an "A". That got me a bit of a bonus in info.
While this card got a grade, it could have gotten an A. It's nice, but is nearly as narrow as some ABs. It's as narrow by about as much as another card in the same batch was short. this one got a 40 (it also has a pretty big paper inclusion which probably brought it down some. ) The other got rejected for "min size" and would have been an "A" even though it's completely factory but undersize.


This one as you can see was rejected for the top and bottom having very rough cuts. Also not trimmed, but it would have also received an "A"



Teds Jennings is an even better example. Somewhere along the line they changed the required specs so that the ABs weren't knocked down for being narrow. (Or simply retrained someone)
Years later the card gets regarded more appropriately.

So if you keep a sharp eye on SGC cards graded "A" you might just find a few cards that are a bit better than the grade.
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