PSA 8 T206 Honus Wagner currently missing from Pop Report

[swarmee]

Looks like after the discussion on Gary Moser's card alteration habits and being interviewed for the New York Times, Ken Kendrick has sent his T206 Wagner into PSA for Review. It is currently missing from the Pop Report.

For those that keep saying "nothing is ever going to happen," maybe stop saying that? It looks like PSA is taking this seriously.

Add: First posted this morning by Bruins1993 on blowout: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1302161&page=2

[conor912]

It is my understanding that PSA has already reaffirmed the grade in the past. For them not to do so now would be admitting a level of incompetence that would rattle even the thirstiest of KoolAid drinkers. I would be absolutely shocked if they stripped the 8.

[darwinbulldog]

More likely that somebody hacked the population report or that PSA is simply correcting a grading error?

[Dpeck100]

When I sent in two cards years ago to be re-holdered they were removed from the pop report until the order was complete.

I am more inclined to think it is something like this.

[swarmee]

Could be a reholder, but I believe it's already been reholdered a couple of times. Not sure why you would do that at this point.
I sincerely doubt hacking.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Could be a reholder, but I believe it's already been reholdered a couple of times. Not sure why you would do that at this point.
I sincerely doubt hacking.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...on-on-exhibit/

A quick Google search returned this from 2016 and it is in an older holder.

I will look and see if I can find any newer pics.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Could be a reholder, but I believe it's already been reholdered a couple of times. Not sure why you would do that at this point.
I sincerely doubt hacking.

just going to make a few slight changes by dipping in chemicals and re-trimming to possibly get a 9. Brent Mastro probably gave it to Moser and then will send it back in to PSA to be re-graded a 9 or a 10 coming soon to a PWCC auction near you.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by conor912

I would be absolutely shocked if they stripped the 8.

This will never happen. Where will PSA get the money from to refund this card?

If PSA can just fix this Gary Moser mess, then I'll be happy.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

This will never happen. Where will PSA get the money from to refund this card? .

May not need to, if Mr. Kendrick has already said the card is worth the same or more based on the notoriety of the alteration.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by swarmee

May not need to, if Mr. Kendrick has already said the card is worth the same or more based on the notoriety of the alteration.

This....exactly. Due to the history, it is worth more and I don't believe the price guarantee would be exercised even if it's placed in an "Authentic Altered" holder. As long as the Gretzky pedigree is still on the label.

[LOTSOS]

Not in house. Not in for review. System glitch.

[LOTSOS]

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...removed#latest

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

This....exactly. Due to the history, it is worth more and I don't believe the price guarantee would be exercised even if it's placed in an "Authentic Altered" holder. As long as the Gretzky pedigree is still on the label.

You probably express the majority view, though until an actual sale takes place at such a level with the card re holdered as an "A", I will respectfully disagree. If though it turns out to be the case, I would think the price of certain vintage full-production-run uncut sheets will explode in value, not to mention the "A" Plank that came from the same sheet as the Wagner.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

This will never happen. Where will PSA get the money from to refund this card?

If PSA can just fix this Gary Moser mess, then I'll be happy.

Then you’ll never be happy. PSA cannot possibly “fix” it. Those cards are everywhere now. It has spread like a virus into hundreds of our collections. For every one that’s been exposed on BO, figure that 8-10 others have not been (and will never be) identified.

This is hardly a new development, and is not limited to Moser. The only thing new is the use of the internet (and some sloppy trails left behind) which enabled the skilled detectives at BO to uncover the blatant alterations.

[bmwntux]

The first card PSA graded back in 1991 was the Gretzky T206 Wagner. This is the PSA 8 card discussed here. It is well known that the card was altered by Bill Mastro. He admitted under oath that he trimmed the card, and it was in fact cut from a sheet. In Michael O'Keeffe's book, "The Card", the story is laid out in full detail. Mr. Kendrick is well aware of the card's providence. It is curious that PSA removed the card from the pop report after all of these years. It seems an admission of complicity in the decades old scandal.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I hope that's a spellcheck error.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I hope that's a spellcheck error.

Me too

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Me too

Are you guys ragging a brand new poster on his use of "providence" instead of "provenance"? Could easily be a replaced word from swiping the cellphone keyboard. I know I do it every once in a wheel.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Are you guys ragging a brand new poster on his use of "providence" instead of "provenance"? Could easily be a replaced word from swiping the cellphone keyboard. I know I do it every once in a wheel.

I see what you did.

[darwinbulldog]

C'mon, if there's one thing this world admires it's a pedant.

[frankbmd]

It may be lost in the process, whatever the process is, but not to worry, whatever happens is good for the hobby.

[Stampsfan]

Maybe it will be in the next PWCC auction on eBay, and they are reholdering (sp?) it as we speak.

If so, it will certainly be worthy of attention.