Old Judge Ewing PSA graded for sale on EBay

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Posted By: HalleyGator 

I know, I know ... another "not so shameless" plug....

BUT I really need to sell the card after I "accidentally" won that PSA 8 N29 Ewing card on the Superior Auction last week.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1025555291&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1005250700&indexURL=0&rd=1

I am also selling an E90-1 Sam Crawford that is PSA graded and a D304 Brunner's Bread Johnny Evers PSA card. These are doubles now that I won some really good cards in the Teletrade auction last week.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1025557476&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1005250954&indexURL=0&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1025558030&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1005251073&indexURL=0&rd=1

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Did I mention that the "mascot" in the photo with Buck Ewing went on to become famous in his own right?

He grew up and became one of the Four Horseman of Notre Dame!!

OK, OK... I admit that I made that up just to drive up the price of my card...

which is one of the "HARDEST OLD JUDGES TO FIND IN ANY CONDITION"

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Where would you place that card on the Mohs hardness scale? From now on when someone describes an Old Judge as "hard" I will assume that this is what they are referring to. . Good Luck Hal! I still have that Hartford Blue Stocking CdV with Candy Cummings waiting for you.

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Dear Jay: I would say that my card is right up there on the "hardness" scale with COMISKEY - and we all know in detail how hard that one is!!

Actually, since there have only been TWO such Ewing & Mascot cards ever graded by PSA ... then this card is TWICE AS RARE as the Comiskey which has been graded 5 times.

In fact, my sources tell me that these two graded Ewing & Mascot cards are the ONLY such authentic cards that exist in the World, and that all ungraded Ewing & Mascot cards are reprints from the 1970's. Sorry for the bad news about all of your ungraded ones, but that REALLY shows how rare this one is.

PS - If you can succeed in getting these guys at Cooperstown to change Candy Cumming's listing from "Executive" to "Pitcher" ... then I would have no choice but to buy your CdV !!

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/lists/alphabetical.htm

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Posted By: runscott

I'm amazed that Foxx and Hornsby were both were elected under 80% - what did these two do to upset the media?

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Lefty Grove only had 76% of the votes, and he is still said to be the best left-handed pitcher ever.

At first I thought that these guys must have been on the ballot with some bigger names ...

but then I clicked on the "year" column and it showed me that Hornsby was the ONLY player elected in 1942. Thus, I have no idea what the other 20% were thinking.

Heck, Lefty Grove got less votes than Frisch, Hubbell and Cochrane in 1947.

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Lefty Grove only had 76% of the votes, and he is still said to be the best left-handed pitcher ever.

At first I thought that these guys must have been on the ballot with some bigger names ...

but then I clicked on the "year" column and it showed me that Hornsby was the ONLY player elected in 1942. Thus, I have no idea what the other 20% were thinking.

Heck, Lefty Grove got less votes than Frisch, Hubbell and Cochrane in 1947.

Then again ... Cy Young only got 76% for his induction, so who knows??

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Sorry for the double post ... I was trying to add that last line about Cy Young only getting 76% of the vote.

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

I was perusing my Baseball Encyclopedia (Ninth Edition) this morning, and saw that it listed Candy Cummings as a pitcher in its Hall of Fame roll call. It also listed separately, after the players, those members who are managers and those who were "selected for meritorious service". In this last group it identified executives, "manager-executives", an "umpire-executive", and Rube Foster as "player- executive", among others. Curiously, Candy Cummings is not listed as a "player-executive" or plain old executive; again, he is listed with the players. Halleygator, are you certain about his status--is the website you linked absolutely correct that Cummings was not inducted based upon his accomlishment(s) as a player? Just curious. Todd

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Posted By: Jay Miller

The Candy Cummings listing has annoyed me for a while so I called the HOF. What I was told was that when Cummings was elected in 1939 they had different categories than they have today, and he was actually elected as a pioneer of the game for his supposed development of the curve ball. In recent times these categories have been changed and the pioneer category no longer exists. All players formerly in this category were reassigned to the executive category, even though they might not have been executives. The head of research said that if Cummings were elected today, given the categories that currently exist, he would be classified as a pitcher. I have asked that they review their listing procedure to correct these errors.

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Just when I thought my collection was nearing completion ...

Jay Miller makes a phone call and changes history!

Todd: The website I cited is the OFFICIAL Hall of Fame web site. Jay's explanation clears up what happened and why.

I suppose that George Wright and probably even Harry Wright would fit into the same category, since BOTH played baseball BEFORE the major leagues officially started and both were clearly "pioneers of the game."

Jay: Send me a scan ... I guess I should at least look at the CdV now.

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Given that he also played the game, A. G. Spalding might also fall into this category of "pioneer/player turned executive."

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Posted By: Andy Baran

HalleyGator,

You are forgetting that there are Latin American Cards of several of the Negro Leaguers who are in the HOF.
There are several 1920's Cuban Issues of both Oscar Charleston and John Henry "Pop" Lloyd. There are several 1940/50's Cuban Issues of Martin Dihigo and Ray Dandridge. There is also a 1950's Dominican Issue of Dihigo. Lastly there are several 1940/50's Puerto Rican Issues of Leon Day. Many of these cards are not in the SCD (yet), but they most certainly exist.

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Posted By: HalleyGator

Dear Andy: By all means, I would love to get my hands on some of those cards for the Negro League stars ... but from looking at the POP reports it does not look like PSA grades them. Not that this means a hill of beans, but I am hoping that PSA eventually registers a "Hall of Fame" set in their set registry. If they do not grade these Cuban cards, then it is umlikely they will require or acknowledge them in any set. The same is probably true for strip cards, which is why I have been selling mine off and getting "national" set cards to replace them.

But by all means if anyone has some real vintage Cuban cards of Negro League Hall of Famers that they wany to sell ... let me know.

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Posted By: Andy Baran

HalleyGator,

It's not that PSA won't grade them. These cards are extremely rare, and those of us that collect them don't feel the need to send them to grading companies. We know far more about the cards than PSA or SGC will ever know.

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Posted By: Vognar Julie

That's a "7." Some say that either jadite or nephrite
is only a "6.5." I forget which.

Julie

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Posted By: Vognar Julie

Some say thatJulie nephrite is only 6.5.