Drum Tobacco Labels

[renoch01]

These came from a private collector from Durham NC was sold at the country store auction in Mebane NC this past weekend in a large box of Tobacco labels.

[T205 GB]

That is so cool. Thanks for sharing.

[renoch01]

Was thinking of selling a pair for $350 was wondering if that was fair or to cheap? I only have 6 pairs but keeping one for myself.

[T205 GB]

I can’t say. Maybe Leon or Jon Canfield can help you.

[rdwyer]

Can you post a bigger scan? Better if they were slide & shell.

[renoch01]

Richard I think the cigarette label is slide if these scans are not good I can email pics

[rdwyer]

They look like they were cigarette cartons. (?) The sides are too big. No idea what the value would be.

[renoch01]

To small for cartons and the other 16 oz I would think some kind of pouch or maybe a label for a carton of pouches. The smaller one would make up the slide shell box.

[rdwyer]

Is it thin paper stock or thick paper stock?

[rdwyer]

This is the correct graphics for a T206 box from Drum.

[renoch01]

If that is correct for T206 then this might be for a non sport or none at all then.....

[renoch01]

Looks like from this Museum site that the pouch label would have had the T205 & T206 cards so would think the same for the cigarette label but need to do some more research. check out this website: http://www.t206museum.com/page/store_pack_drum.html

[rdwyer]

Pouches never had cards inside them. If what you have is thin paper stock, then perhaps your's were the paper that was wrapped around the pouch. (?)

[canjond]

They are uncirculated/unused labels from the Drum tobacco pouches. There are 2 different size varieties. They are "related" to Drum cigarettes, but not the same product and would not have been on packaging that related to card distribution.

I should also add that the information on T206 museum is incorrect. As much as people would like to believe that cards were packaged with Drum tobacco to increase the value of their packs, that's simply not the case. Drum tobacco pouches are fairly plentiful. Opened ones sell for $50-$75 depending on condition. Full ones sell for up to $200 depending on condition.

Finally, the Drum cigarette box pictured above is graphically similar to the one used for T206 distribution, but it is not the correct graphics/box.

[renoch01]

Thanks Jon I knew the pouches did not contain cards but was trying to figure the cigarette label fell into the same time period as the pouch label.....Richard please don't go into paper stock because as we have had this conversation before I don't think you realize the time period and the paper stock used can be completely different at times not consistent with today's technology. The envelope is from The American Tobacco Company which they were in wrapped in paper dated in the 1940s I am assuming the collector had written to a lot of the tobacco companies asking for labels or advertising ect because there were several envelopes from multiple companies with different dates on them.

[canjond]

Rich - The Drum tobacco pouches were manufactured over the same period as the cigarette packs, but their distribution stretched beyond the cigarette packs as well. I have seen a Drum tobacco pouch from as early as 1903 (and there may be earlier I guess), and as late as 1920s. It's hard to say when your exactly labels date from, primarily because they seem well preserved from being in the envelope and the fact that they were not used/placed on a product. They could be 1910s.

[rdwyer]

Thin paper stock would be the wraps for the pouches. Thick paper stock would be possible slide & shell type boxes.

[canjond]

For those interested, this is what the pack for T206 distribution looks like graphically. Similar to that above, but different is a few respects. This pack has a correct factory code and tax stamp.