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W575-1 & E121 Strange Fronts -- *NEW DISCOVERY*
This thread is obviously not for everyone as I doubt there are more than a handful of us that care about these things but I have made what is IMO an important new discovery...
Over the past few years there have been a few W575-1 cards that look very different than the normal W575-1 or E121 blank back. Instead of the normal "block lettering" at bottom on front they exhibit a serif style font that resembles the E135 Collins-mcCarthy or H801 Boston Store cards minus the card # at bottom. Up to this point only three players have been found exhibiting this style font, here are the images of the known checklist (Frank owns the Kelly, Brian P. owns the Schang, and I own the Dauss)... For comparison here is an image of what a "normal" E135 card looks like along with examples of the regular W575-1/E121 of Kelly and Schang... Anyways, these three "serif front W575-1" cards all buck the normal trend of W575-1 cards in that while the photos are the same and that the backs are blank, they almost seem to "bridge the gap" from the earlier E135 cards and the later E121/W575-1 cards. Now for the "NEW DISCOVERY" portion, about a week ago I was browsing ebay and came across a card that after I looked at it I could hardly believe what I was looking at but it at first appeared to be a second example of the W575-1 George Dauss card with the serif front style BUT this card was in fact NOT a W575-1 but has the regular E121 TYPE 1 back. Honestly, I never thought I would see one of these cards exhibiting a E121 back but here he is. I am really kind of at a loss for words here as this card really shouldn't exist and I have never seen another player with the serif front exhibiting an E121 back. It appears this is at least a new legitimate variation for the E121 Series of 80 collectors as it is distinctly different on front (which is what we have long considered a true variation within that set), but beyond that this also opens the door of possibilities that other players may have been made like this within the E121 set (obviously Schang and Kelly are the most likely, but still others may exist)... I welcome any and all thoughts regarding this new card or the W575-1 "serif-style" cards. -Rhett
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rhett
great discovery and expert detective work.
it continues to be amazing what a keen eye can bring to this fabulous world of old cardboard. all the best, barry |
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Interesting stuff.
Good work!
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Fun, checked all of mine and mine are the regular E121 types
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wow, very cool Rhett, I sometimes still look for another one, you will make me start looking again. strange about being found with E121 back, I never would have guessed it too.
question, on the blank back Dauss with sharper corners, it sort of looks like the left side is handcut but the other 3 cuts look almost machine cut .... does it look that way to you in person?? ...like maybe the last card on a horizontal strip??? Last edited by fkw; 03-29-2012 at 09:29 PM. |
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I wonder if all these different cards and others that resemble them (E120, E220, W573, etc.) were designed and printed by the same company?
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Impressive detective work, Rhett. Thanks for sharing it!
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Well done Rhett. Now I'm on the lookout for Dauss, Type IV, reversed, "serif-style"!
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Thanks for everyone's thoughts on these. I figure I'd give this one bump before it fades away to "Page 2" status.
-Rhett
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I was doing a little research on the web and circled back to this discussion, go figure. Has anyone got a definitive list of the E121 cards with blank backs? I am inquiring about the regular block lettering, machine cut cards.
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I don't actively follow this set - but this is a reason I read N54. Cool stuff Rhett.
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Leon, I have done some work on this myself but it is a complicated answer because in reality there are at least 5 different sets that get all grouped together as "blank backed-W575-1" and an in depth study would require differentiation between all of those to be of any real use. I can share what I have if there is interest but it will require some work.
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Thanks Rhett. With some new info it seems the E121 type-font blank backs, at least in one case, were issued in packs of 20 and there were 4 different packs totalling 80 Base Ball Stars. And I think these will not be American Caramels. I think they will be generic and issued by different companies, including at least one newspaper. Maybe they will be M-Unc's or H-Uncs etc........
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You can get any font you want
At Yeakley's Restaurant.
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