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Old 08-07-2017, 10:29 AM
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I do think it's different with photos. The source you're citing is regarding card purchases. They have a more rigid price structure these days thanks to VCP etc. than photos. A year or two ago, I bought a Greene DiMaggio/ Williams Photo for $250 from a major auction house, sold it a week later for $500 only to see a similar but cropped version sell for $2750 in Christies!
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/L...4-details.aspx
I could give you tons more examples.
It's becoming less and less but photos are still a bit of the "wild west" when it comes to buying and selling.
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Even between two RMY auctions you can see huge changes in price in the same photo.

AAGPBL - $52 Dec2013
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=434

AAGPBL - $372 June2014 (same shot new copy)
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=3998
7 month difference of $320

Conlon Schalk - $70 Nov2014
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=5524

Conlon Schalk - $140 Dec2015 (same shot new copy)
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=12712
13 month difference of $70

Plank - $1210 Nov2014
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=5579
Plank - $440 July2017 (Exact same copy)
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=26948
32 month difference of -$770
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:06 PM
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It's true, once you buy something you can mark it up 100 fold if you want or burn it. Or drive your car over it. Or throw it in the lake. But there is something that seems less than upstanding about buying something for $175 and immediately trying to find someone to pay $975 for it. Basically fishing for someone who is not dialed into the market valuation. Not illegal, probably not immoral, but still seems less than admirable.

I see a lot of photos I'd like from people who do this as a living and won't bid for them. Even if I can't find the most recent selling price I assume what they are asking is outrageous.

Moral of the story: bid more at RMY. Cause the next time you see it someone will have it on ebay for way more than they paid for it.
I think Steve makes a great point, and I know not for every one, but for me once I see a seller who sells one item at a ridiculous markup, I assume all the rest of the items they sell are as well, so I then Exclude them from showing up in my Searches.
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Old 08-07-2017, 08:24 PM
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It's true, once you buy something you can mark it up 100 fold if you want or burn it. Or drive your car over it. Or throw it in the lake. But there is something that seems less than upstanding about buying something for $175 and immediately trying to find someone to pay $975 for it. Basically fishing for someone who is not dialed into the market valuation. Not illegal, probably not immoral, but still seems less than admirable.

I see a lot of photos I'd like from people who do this as a living and won't bid for them. Even if I can't find the most recent selling price I assume what they are asking is outrageous.

Moral of the story: bid more at RMY. Cause the next time you see it someone will have it on ebay for way more than they paid for it.
With all do respect steve(hi buddy) photos are not like cards and there is no clear cut market valuation as shown by Andy. This stuff is still evolving. Doubling the price on a photo such as a single pose Josh gibson( probably a 1 of 1) is nothing. Clearly it is frustrating for people who want an item but it is a free market. I ha e been frustrated in the past too. But...Find Another.
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Old 08-07-2017, 08:55 PM
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With all do respect steve(hi buddy) photos are not like cards and there is no clear cut market valuation as shown by Andy. This stuff is still evolving. Doubling the price on a photo such as a single pose Josh gibson( probably a 1 of 1) is nothing. Clearly it is frustrating for people who want an item but it is a free market. I ha e been frustrated in the past too. But...Find Another.
Btw-great meeting you in Chicago. Great times.
Totally agree with Ben and Brendan here. These photos are survival of the fittest. If you think a photo is worth 5K then pay it. If not don't. But you can't get mad at someone who sees a photo, thinks it's worth 5K and can get it for 1500 and wants to make money off it.
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Old 08-07-2017, 09:47 PM
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Ben, cool meeting you in Chicago.

Not disagreeing that market for photos is a little more amorphous than cards. And as I said people can do what they want.

For now I will stick to auctions for photos, as it seems people simply buy pictures in auctions and then go fishing for much bigger prices. On occasion I've bought photos from guys only to find out RMY sold it 6 mos ago for half what I paid. Feel like a dope but what can you do.
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Totally agree with Ben and Brendan here. These photos are survival of the fittest. If you think a photo is worth 5K then pay it. If not don't. But you can't get mad at someone who sees a photo, thinks it's worth 5K and can get it for 1500 and wants to make money off it.
Well I don't see a lot of these 100 or 200% markups actulally selling but maybe once in a while lightening strikes.
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Ben, cool meeting you in Chicago.

Not disagreeing that market for photos is a little more amorphous than cards. And as I said people can do what they want.

For now I will stick to auctions for photos, as it seems people simply buy pictures in auctions and then go fishing for much bigger prices. On occasion I've bought photos from guys only to find out RMY sold it 6 mos ago for half what I paid. Feel like a dope but what can you do.
You shouldn't feel like a dope. You got a photo you wanted at what YOU thought was a fair price. What does it matter what they paid at that point?
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Would you use the same logic if you paid $10,000 for an engagement ring and really loved it and then found out a year later it was a piece of cheap glass?

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Would you use the same logic if you paid $10,000 for an engagement ring and really loved it and then found out a year later it was a piece of cheap glass?
No. Why would I? If it's a fake diamond obviously I'd be mad. But a quality item at a fair price (or what I deemed fair) is nothing to lose sleep over.
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Would you use the same logic if you paid $10,000 for an engagement ring and really loved it and then found out a year later it was a piece of cheap glass?
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