Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?

[Rhotchkiss]

I think he means “his research shows”, not that he literally has...!

[t206kid]

oops lol. I’ve been pretty on top of listings the last 15 months. I’ve seen only a couple of each but definitely more Uzit than BL460 or Drum

[tedzan]

OK guys here's what the numbers (graded cards = PSA + SGC) tell us...…….


> > > > > > 79 graded cards / 28 confirmed subjects = 2.8 BL460's per subject (average)


> > > > > > 177 graded cards / 58 confirmed subjects = 3.0 UZIT's per subject (average)



Therefore, BL460 cards are just marginally scarcer than UZIT cards.
I rest my case.


TED Z

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[t206kid]

Ted those numbers are incorrect...what I posted above is several months old, so I'm going to refresh the numbers

TOTAL POP:
Broad Leaf 460: 37 PSA + 46 SGC = 83 total
Drum: 135 PSA + 88 SGC = 223 total
Uzit: 143 PSA + 119 SGC = 262 total

TOTAL SUBJECTS:
Broad Leaf 460: 28 confirmed
Drum: 126 confirmed (I think)
Uzit: 58 confirmed

PER SUBJECT:
Broad Leaf 460: 83/28 = 2.96
Drum 223/126 = 1.77
Uzit 4.52

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by t206kid

Ted those numbers are incorrect...what I posted above is several months old, so I'm going to refresh the numbers

TOTAL POP:
Broad Leaf 460: 37 PSA + 46 SGC = 83 total
Drum: 135 PSA + 88 SGC = 223 total
Uzit: 143 PSA + 119 SGC = 262 total

TOTAL SUBJECTS:
Broad Leaf 460: 28 confirmed
Drum: 126 confirmed (I think)
Uzit: 58 confirmed

Jay

We are in agreement with the BROAD LEAF 460 numbers. Yours is 83 and mine is 79 (I deducted 4 because I have 1st hand knowledge that 4 subjects were crossed-over,
therefore they appear twice in the Pop Report data).

At least that tells me we are reading from the same source. However, your UZIT numbers are way out of whack !
Where the heck did you get "262" ? ?


Incidentally, 151 - DRUM's have been confirmed.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

t206resource has 153 Drums confirmed.
http://t206resource.com/Drum%20350%20Checklist.html

[tedzan]

Pat

Resource claims Chase (blue portrait) and Mathewson (dark cap) are "confirmed" with DRUM....well let's see some scans to verify this is true ? ?

It's their same type of claims that Ames is confirmed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT. Or, their claims that Chance (batting), Bergen (catching),
Murray (portrait), Overall (blue sky) are "confirmed" with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42.


Sorry, but these claims are "fake news" !


TED Z

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[scottglevy]

I’ll limit my comments to the glorious period of time from the early 1980s to the mid 1990s. During that time my dad and I had the amazing experience of buying several complete or near complete T206 sets and many thousands of other T206 cards in raw lots ranging from a few dozen to several hundred. In all, we’ve probably owned at least 5k - maybe even close to 10k T206s at some point - although never at the same time. It sounds impossible now, but at one point average cards cost $1 and even Cobb was under $50.

During those earlier years, many folks didn’t know much or care much about the backs - especially when you purchased a set or a large lot of cards.

I can say that Dad or I never found a raw Cobb/Cobb, Brown Lenox, BL460 or drum. While this is a small sample, it’s interesting to note the tougher backs that we’ve found as.
1 brown old mill (probably shouldn’t count this as I saw the image before I bought the lot)
2 Red Hindu
3 Uzits (one was on a Cobb batting!!)
And at least 3 of all other back varieties (although Black Lenox, BL350, P42 and Carolina Brights were all probably on “close to 5” end of things).

I’m not suggesting from my small sample that we should re-rank rarity, however, it is interesting that I never came across drum or BL460 - and I very rarely even saw them in the raw collections that we didn’t get a chance to buy (in fact, I NEVER saw a BL460 in a raw collection - except for one time, where the seller explicitly knew it was there and made sure to say as much.

[barrysloate]

Hi Scott- 5,000-10,000 cards is not a small sample IMO. I think that's a large enough number to make a lot of determinations regarding what is scarce and what is not.

I also probably handled somewhere around 10,000 T206, some unsearched from original collections, and some bought at auction which were likely cherrypicked. As I said on a different thread, I once bought an original collection with two Drums, but that was by far an outlier. Virtually all original collections I bought did not have rare backs in them.

But I also remember how inexpensive those backs were in the 80's and 90's. When I had Drums and Uzits I might get $125-150 each for them. I also remember Brown Hindus got a small premium over a common. So if commons were $15 I would sell a BH for $25. It's comical looking back how affordable this stuff once was. But it won't be ever again.

[tedzan]

I've kept a few of my UZIT's....and, in the past 10 years I have sold these......


Sold for $2900 (2017)
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Sold for $5925 (consigned to REA 2013....this Herzog / UZIT is the only one known)






Cash/trade deal....$1200 + $500 value in trade (2012)
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Sold for $1650 (2008)




TED Z

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[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by tedzan

OK guys here's what the numbers (graded cards = PSA + SGC) tell us...…….


> > > > > > 79 graded cards / 28 confirmed subjects = 2.8 BL460's per subject (average)


> > > > > > 177 graded cards / 58 confirmed subjects = 3.0 UZIT's per subject (average)



Therefore, BL460 cards are just marginally scarcer than UZIT cards.
I rest my case.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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I am not a math major but I think that comparison of ratios does not make sense, atleast for how i think you are trying to present it.

Mike