Just what is a "complete" T205 set?

[Leon]

Nice write up on the subject.

Originally Posted by gonzo

The basic set is the 208 as folks have mentioned above. Note that the different pictures are distinct cards, not variations as such. “Collins Open Mouth” and “Collins Closed Mouth” are just different cards, like “Cobb Bat On” and “Cobb Bat Off” for T206s.

The “Master Set” is really whichever variations you decide you want to collect. The PSA and SGC registries have their own opinions about which variations to include. I wouldn’t consider those “official” outside of the context of the specific registry. Some people choose one of those to go by, especially if they have a set registered. Both are slow to add new variations, and I’d suggest only using them as a starting point and adding whatever variations you find interesting even if the registries don’t list them. “Unlisted” variations tend to be less expensive than “official” ones, since registry folks are chasing the latter.


Probably the best way to learn about “unlisted” variations is this board. If you search in Google for
site:net54baseball.com new t205 variation
that alone gives a wealth of information from other board members.


A few highlights, some already mentioned in Cozumeleno’s link above:

The Collins Closed Mouth “Yellow Elephant”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150383

A missing decimal point for Sovereign Fred Snodgrass:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=218157

Printing differences for Hoffman, including the “green stripe”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=192728

A few Titus cards have a blotch over the world “has”:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243236

Some Honest Long Cut Latham cards seem to have remnants of the “W.” before the “A. Latham” on the back.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240610

Doc White missing quotes on Polar Bear backs
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=140229

and a few others.


Individual collectors have different opinions on what “should” count as a variation versus a print defect, so keep that in mind when reading these threads. But it’s really up to the individual collector, what they want to collect!

[eliotdeutsch]

I just noticed that for some reason the PSA basic registry excludes the Chase one ear and the wallace no cap. Any idea why?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by eliotdeutsch

I just noticed that for some reason the PSA basic registry excludes the Chase one ear and the wallace no cap. Any idea why?

Could be:
1) Nobody working on the set asked for them to be added.
2) They were requested to be added, but they put it to a vote and the people currently collecting the set decided not to include them.

Those are the normal steps.

[Leon]

If I were a master set collector then #1 makes sense and #2 would never make sense to me.

Originally Posted by swarmee

Could be:
1) Nobody working on the set asked for them to be added.
2) They were requested to be added, but they put it to a vote and the people currently collecting the set decided not to include them.

Those are the normal steps.

[Promethius88]

Sorry to jump in here but I'm a complete novice at this set but picked up a couple 205's the last couple weeks just to have. My question is on the backs... did they all come with different backs, like 206's and does the 205 collector go for different variations of backs? Are there certain backs that are more scarce than others? I see that PSA doesn't label them with the back variations. These are pretty confusing to me. Here are the 3 I picked up today. I am pretty sure they are all commons and of course, low grade. Just wasn't sure if any of the backs were better than others.
Thanks guys!
Tim

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Leon

If I were a master set collector then #1 makes sense and #2 would never make sense to me.

This is a basic set. For master sets, PSA will add them without worry about whether or not the other people going for the set agree (unless they made 3 or less of the card in the first place). That mostly applies to player registries, where if they put 1/1 and #/3 cards in the player master set, only one or a few people could get them and make it harder for other collectors to compete.

To Tim, yes, the backs can greatly vary the value of a T205. Kind of dated, but it probably hasn't changed that much in the last 12 years:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/net5...ty-t18631.html
And PSA should definitely specify the backs, but for some reason, are unwilling to.

[gonzo]

www.t205resource.com used to have a list of card + back combos, but that site is not accessible right now.

You can see a version from a few years ago at
https://web.archive.org/web/20150906...stsmaster.html

Though there are a few combos that have been discovered since then, that list covers the great majority of them.


This thread also has some great information:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...230355&page=10

[Promethius88]

Thanks everyone! Skimmed thru and just that was very helpful. Still have a lot of reading to do!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by swarmee

This is a basic set. For master sets, PSA will add them without worry about whether or not the other people going for the set agree (unless they made 3 or less of the card in the first place). That mostly applies to player registries, where if they put 1/1 and #/3 cards in the player master set, only one or a few people could get them and make it harder for other collectors to compete.

To Tim, yes, the backs can greatly vary the value of a T205. Kind of dated, but it probably hasn't changed that much in the last 12 years:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/net5...ty-t18631.html
And PSA should definitely specify the backs, but for some reason, are unwilling to.

To me that seems even stranger, those aren't simple variations like missing punctuation, but totally different cards. Without checking a book, I believe both were checklisted long before PSA existed. It seems odd that they would leave them out.

[eliotdeutsch]

Does anyone have any info on the Wallace 1 Line?
Is this card an error similar to Moran or closer to a variation like Graham or Shean?