1968 Hank Aaron PROOF card

[fishpro1202]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows if this is truly the only one in the world? It is a 1968 Topps Game #4 Hank Aaron Proof card graded by SGC. I am a collector of rare Baseball Cards and was looking for information on this card??
What would the value be? Ebay item http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

item #281300391148

[ALR-bishop]

I have two sets of them, one from a full Game Box set. They also came as pack inserts. Have not seen proofs before but surely there were some and I know the 69 Supers, which also have rounded corners in final form can be found in square poof form. Same with 74 Deckles which can be found as undeckled proofs, or undeckled finals.

Many proofs come from Topps Vault and if so they usually include a certificate of authority. Here you have a grading company saying it is authentic, and it looks good, but the seller has one ebay transaction, which at least raises a flag. If it were a more known seller I believe it might go for a nice premium over the normal game card because there are a lot of Aaron followers. With this seller, some buyers might be leery and hold back. Neat item.

Here are a couple of odd ball game cards I have picked up

[pawpawdiv9]

i gave this a look, all i can see it has square corners, than the normal rounded ones.
Is that it? no marks or stampings or anything suggesting a proof..maybe someone here chimes in on it..maybe it is a no gloss-gloss thing.
Well, of course the master of knowledge chimed in at the same time, He is like einstein here.

[fishpro1202]

Thanks for the info! I spoke to SGC who claimed this was the first proof of this card that they had seen and also that it was just recently graded.

[Mark70Z]

Yes; this is a '68 Game proof. I've seen other proof cards from this issue and look the same as the Aaron. I believe Scott (quitcrab) picked one up of Brooksie and his looked the same as well.

I doubt it is the only one, but haven't seen many over the years. I guess it's the only one that SGC has encapsulated.

bishop - any defects on a Brooks?!?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Looks like Al has another set to work on...the 68 Topps Game proof set.

[ALR-bishop]

I have had to settle on proofs for some unissued test sets, like the 67 and 68 Discs and 70 Candy Lids. Otherwise I tend to avoid proofs. The 67 Maris as a Yankee is an exception. And I would sure like to have some of the 77 Proofs that show Jackson and several other players in uniforms and poses different from the regular issued cards. Then there are the legendary 3 proofs of Cimoli, Hadley and Throneberry from the 60 set with teams different from that in the issued set ( although as I recall Bob Lemke reported they have regular rather than blank backs and may therefore be variations)

[fishpro1202]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this! I did some more research and found one other proof from this set which was a common but still sold for over 300.00. Maybe I can steal this one for less!!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows if this is truly the only one in the world? It is a 1968 Topps Game #4 Hank Aaron Proof card graded by SGC. I am a collector of rare Baseball Cards and was looking for information on this card??
What would the value be? Ebay item http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

item #281300391148

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this! I did some more research and found one other proof from this set which was a common but still sold for over 300.00. Maybe I can steal this one for less!!

So not only are you Shilling your auction but you are pretending that you aren't the seller as a way to try and get others to try and bite?

The seller has only two items for sale that are unrelated, this card and a marble, yet there is a bidder that has bid on both and only these two items:

Bid History: Details
Bidding Details


Bidder Information
Bidder: h***i ( 79Feedback score is 50 to 99)
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: Joseph coat latticino onion skin german hand made marble 1 1/2 RARE
Bids on this item: 8

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 21
Items bid on: 2
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 100% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 0

30-Day Bid History
Category No. of Bids Seller Help Last Bid Help

Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Baseball 13 Seller 1 6d 6h
Toys & Hobbies > Pre-1970 8 Seller 1 6d 3h

[ALR-bishop]

Well, Andy, maybe the marble is the only one in the world as well .

[hangman62]

I got my eye on the marble

[fishpro1202]

Wow you have me all figured out don't you jackass. I do not collect marbles and have not even bid on this card yet was waiting until the end. Just curious if you are trying to deter me from bidding or are you just some dumb ass who has nothing better to do then try to insult people with false accusations? I have been a member on here for quite some time and have asked for advice in the past but have never encountered an idiot like you.....

[bn2cardz]

Yes because if I wanted to "steal" a card for less than what I thought was market value I would out the auction on a forum to show any more knowledgeable competition the card was for sale.

Let me be clear. I am not trying to stop you from bidding in a random auction. I fully believe this is your auction and you are shilling it and came here to try and advertise it.

I still believe this is your auction and you are using another account to shill this one. Maybe it is just a coincidence but it is enough for me to not touch this auction.

[bn2cardz]

By the way the double punctuation isn't that normal that it seems like just a coincidence to me that you and the seller both do it:

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

I am a collector of rare Baseball Cards and was looking for information on this card??
item #281300391148

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

Maybe I can steal this one for less!!

Ebay description:

For sale is a 1968 Topps #4 Hank Aaron Game Proof in nm+ condition. There is only one in the world and a must for any true rare card collector!!

[fishpro1202]

It is very sad that there are people like you in this world that so easily throw out false accusations with such random erratic proofs. I do not think the fact someone who has bid on 2 of the sellers items is rock solid evidence to say such things so freely but I guess people like you seem to be just born miserable and are very destructive not constructive. It is disturbing to say the least. I just wondered if any of these knowledgeable sports card enthusiasts had additional information which may help me determine the best price to place on it. I am not the seller nor have I ever shill bid. I looked at the bidder you spoke of and if that were true I would think I would have bid much higher then 10 dollars on the marble. People come on here for advice not to promote their product and in the future so as to not insult and falsely accuse innocent people maybe you should think before you speak. Just saying

[ALR-bishop]

Someone told me that if you find your self caught in a ripe tide sweeping you out to sea, you can either try without success to get back to the same part of the beach from which you came, or swim sideways for awhile until you can safely head back to shore at another part of the beach

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

It is very sad that there are people like you in this world that so easily throw out false accusations with such random erratic proofs. I do not think the fact someone who has bid on 2 of the sellers items is rock solid evidence to say such things so freely but I guess people like you seem to be just born miserable and are very destructive not constructive. It is disturbing to say the least. I just wondered if any of these knowledgeable sports card enthusiasts had additional information which may help me determine the best price to place on it. I am not the seller nor have I ever shill bid. I looked at the bidder you spoke of and if that were true I would think I would have bid much higher then 10 dollars on the marble. People come on here for advice not to promote their product and in the future so as to not insult and falsely accuse innocent people maybe you should think before you speak. Just saying

Ok you made me go there...

It is just a coincidence that you and the seller are both from Gladwin, MI also?

[Leon]

The original poster has seemingly broken board rules on several levels. Kudos, job well done. First of all we need to know your full name, which is Bria.n Elo.wsky. Secondly, shilling your own auctions isn't really a good thing, is it? Would love to hear some explanations...Maybe I am seeing this all wrong?

[Harliduck]

Seems pretty clear as day to me. Pretty embarrassing and desperate.


I can tell you one thing...pretty hard to get the wool over the eyes on net54...half of the board members here should have CSI careers! Good work bn2cardz...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

The original poster has seemingly broken board rules on several levels. Kudos, job well done. First of all we need to know your full name, which is Bria.n Elo.wsky. Secondly, shilling your own auctions isn't really a good thing, is it? Would love to hear some explanations...Maybe I am seeing this all wrong?

This Brian? The article shows this one is from MI also:

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...fl-shop-close/

And Prudenville, the city mentioned is only 36min from the noted Gladwin that we have as a city for the seller.

http://www.9and10news.com/story/2414...baseball-cards

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

Wow you have me all figured out don't you jackass. I do not collect marbles and have not even bid on this card yet was waiting until the end. Just curious if you are trying to deter me from bidding or are you just some dumb ass who has nothing better to do then try to insult people with false accusations? I have been a member on here for quite some time and have asked for advice in the past but have never encountered an idiot like you.....

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

It is very sad that there are people like you in this world that so easily throw out false accusations with such random erratic proofs. I do not think the fact someone who has bid on 2 of the sellers items is rock solid evidence to say such things so freely but I guess people like you seem to be just born miserable and are very destructive not constructive. It is disturbing to say the least. I just wondered if any of these knowledgeable sports card enthusiasts had additional information which may help me determine the best price to place on it. I am not the seller nor have I ever shill bid. I looked at the bidder you spoke of and if that were true I would think I would have bid much higher then 10 dollars on the marble. People come on here for advice not to promote their product and in the future so as to not insult and falsely accuse innocent people maybe you should think before you speak. Just saying

Nail in the coffin:

Seller is Susa_good

This article about Brian has a Susan Good defending him in the comments section. Also it mentions the Gladwin county. I really don't think we need this guy on this board.

http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/stor...2#.Uz3qIfldXaA

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This Brian? The article shows this one is from MI also:

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...fl-shop-close/

And Prudenville, the city mentioned is only 36min from the noted Gladwin that we have as a city for the seller.

http://www.9and10news.com/story/2414...baseball-cards

This would explain the altered reprint T206 he showed pics of in another thread.

[Section115]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This Brian? The article shows this one is from MI also:

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...fl-shop-close/

And Prudenville, the city mentioned is only 36min from the noted Gladwin that we have as a city for the seller.

http://www.9and10news.com/story/2414...baseball-cards

Phenomenal work. Can I get you to vet my daughters future suitors??


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[CW]

Originally Posted by Leon

The original poster has seemingly broken board rules on several levels. Kudos, job well done. First of all we need to know your full name, which is Bria.n Elo.wsky. Secondly, shilling your own auctions isn't really a good thing, is it? Would love to hear some explanations...Maybe I am seeing this all wrong?

*sound of crickets chirping*

[Gr8Beldini]

Originally Posted by fishpro1202

It is very sad that there are people like you in this world that so easily throw out false accusations with such random erratic proofs.

Yeah, very sad. News article about a counterfeiting crook who's name is the same as the guy initiating this thread, both of whom are from the same city and state as the seller, who's unique writing style is the same as the guy initiating this post, who is talking up a listing that he is trying to "steal" from a seller who's ebay name is the same as the name of the person defending the crook in the aforementioned news article, who we are being told is not the same guy as the person selling on ebay, who has 2 completely different items for sale, both of which are being bid on by the same guy. Crissakes; Next time, before you accuse somebody you should present less random, erratic proofs!! (double punctuation joke).

[hcv123]

An excerpt from the comment by Susan Good referenced above:

"Unbelievable the stupidity in this world now and you sir are a prime example of it"

AWESOME job outing him!

[bn2cardz]

I am glad to see he is now banned. There have been worse things than a person trying to out their own auction (or that of a friend) by pretending to be a purchaser. Yet those articles show that this is not a guy we would want on here. It could have gotten a lot worse and glad it didn't.

I could be wrong as I am not always the best judge, but it also just appeared to me that the SGC case had frosting on the bottom edge (more noticeable from the back scan).

I would say that if he pleaded "no contest" (news story ) then I would think he would also be on probation from selling and it may be why there is another account selling this card for him. This is purely speculative, but it does seem strange that he would still be allowed to sell as a repeat offender that just struck a plea deal a few months ago.

[ALR-bishop]

"Liars do not bother me one bit, I just wonder why they believed me in first place"....Jack Handey

[Gr8Beldini]

I'm guessing authorities "so easily threw out false accusations with such random erratic proofs" on this case as well.

http://blog.mlive.com/bctimes/2008/1...s_charges.html

[pencil1974]

Yes stay away from Susan Good for sure. This person is one that was selling some fake Ruth, Gehrigs and others in the summer of last year.

Total fakes but hopefully the way it sounds they will both be in jail coming up shortly.