3000 Strikeout Tickets populations and grading

[Hankphenom]

This thread alerted me to the fact that of the 19 3,000 strikeout pitchers, WaJo is the only one not still alive. I can remember always taking note when he would drop down another notch on the list as he was passed by another pitcher, but that hasn't happened for almost 20 years. Interesting trivia, but it also does make something of a statement about trends in pitching and hitting over the years. I remember reading a long time ago that if batters of his era struck out at the rate of those in Nolan Ryan's era, Walter would have ended up with somewhere around 7,000 strikeouts. I'm sure SABR guys could come up with ameliorating factors that would have adjusted that fantasy total downward, but the 3,000 strikeout list and the dates of their achievements does contain some interesting clues as to changes in the style of play over the years.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

This thread alerted me to the fact that of the 19 3,000 strikeout pitchers, WaJo is the only one not still alive. I can remember always taking note when he would drop down another notch on the list as he was passed by another pitcher, but that hasn't happened for almost 20 years. Interesting trivia, but it also does make something of a statement about trends in pitching and hitting over the years. I remember reading a long time ago that if batters of his era struck out at the rate of those in Nolan Ryan's era, Walter would have ended up with somewhere around 7,000 strikeouts. I'm sure SABR guys could come up with ameliorating factors that would have adjusted that fantasy total downward, but the 3,000 strikeout list and the dates of their achievements does contain some interesting clues as to changes in the style of play over the years.

Absolutely, Hank!
Hitters back in WaJo's era mostly attempted to meet & square up the ball and hit to all fields.
Today, every hitter uppercuts in an attempt to elevate the ball and hit the HR, even though striking out is occurring at a ridiculous rate.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Absolutely, Hank!
Hitters back in WaJo's era mostly attempted to meet & square up the ball and hit to all fields.
Today, every hitter uppercuts in an attempt to elevate the ball and hit the HR, even though striking out is occurring at a ridiculous rate.

Yep, the Babe changed everything. As the saying went when we were kids: "Singles hitters drive Fords, home run hitters drive Cadillacs." Now they all drive Lamborghinis!

[GDoggy]

Randall- I was skeptical about the dating of the Walter Johnson 3k ticket. I have seen many times people go to Baseball-Reference and count the home games played and list that as the ticket date, and Baseball-Reference shows Jul 22 was the 57th home game played by Cleveland: https://www.baseball-reference.com/t...e-scores.shtml. I figured that the 57th home game played wound not be the 57 scheduled, due to rain-outs. According to Retrosheet, where Baseball-Reference gets its data (https://www.retrosheet.org/schedule/index.html), it shows 5 games were postponed due to rain/cold.
They were:
5/09 vs. NYA Cold, Played: 7/14
5/11 vs. NYA Rain, Played: 7/16
5/12 vs. WS1 Rain, Played: 7/20
5/21 vs. BOS Cold, Played: 7/07
6/28 vs. CHA Rain, Played: 6/30
Amazingly all 5 postponed games were made up before 7/22, so yeah, that is the correct date. So it is possible to have a complete 3k Strikeout collection, which is not possible with 3k Hit or 300 Win.

As for your toughest 5, I would replace Gibson with Sutton. There are at least a 1/2 dozen stubs out there, usually going for avg $250. Last one that came up on ebay was something like 6 months ago, but went for significantly more (can't remember the exact number).

Thanks Scott for sharing your Full Ryan. I figured there had to be at least one out there, which is one of the reasons why I stated this thread.

Thanks Steve for sharing your Jenkins 3k collection, very nice!!!

Does anyone have a near complete set? I am missing: Walter Johnson (obviously), Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Phil Niekro and Bert Blyleven.

Would love to see more of the more difficult 3000 Strikeout tickets posted.

[mcgwirecom]

Here is Gibson, Fergie, Niekro & Perry. The Perry is signed by Fergie. I have seen several of these and believe that someone had several unused tickets of Fergie and Perry's 3000th and handed the wrong ones to the wrong guy to sign. I have actually owned two of these signed by Fergie.

[GDoggy]

Thanks Randall for sharing, especially the Niekro, I have never seen one before. Did you get the Fergie from the gentleman that sold off the few he had last month?

Does anyone have a Bert Blyleven to share. Also wondering if anyone else has a Sutton.

Here are a couple of the other more difficult ones, not pictured yet, Carlton (Full, there is one graded as 9) & Sutton (this is the only graded one):

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by GDoggy

Thanks Randall for sharing, especially the Niekro, I have never seen one before. Did you get the Fergie from the gentleman that sold off the few he had last month?

Does anyone have a Bert Blyleven to share. Also wondering if anyone else has a Sutton.

Here are a couple of the other more difficult ones, not pictured yet, Carlton (Full, there is one graded as 9) & Sutton (this is the only graded one):

GDoggy,
Very nice examples of Carlton and Sutton's 3,000th K tickets! Congrats!
I don't know if I've ever seen a full to Carlton's.

Yes, I own a nice Sutton 3000th K ticket stub. Here's a picture of mine.