BGS Turnaround Time: Up to One Year

[Santo10Fan]

I was just told by CS that turnaround time for BGS non-guaranteed is between nine months and one year. Did not check on BVGS.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yes this was discussed on another thread, it's absurd.

[buymycards]

One year isn't too bad. They only have one part time grader and he is also required to do the janitorial work, so it takes a while to get the grading done, especially during the summer when he has to mow the lawn in front of Beckett's HQ.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by buymycards

One year isn't too bad. They only have one part time grader and he is also required to do the janitorial work, so it takes a while to get the grading done, especially during the summer when he has to mow the lawn in front of Beckett's HQ.

Don't worry, I was told he washes his hand in between jobs.

[Throttlesteer]

Beckett Goes Slow (BGS)

[bobbyw8469]

One year to grade cards????? They might as well close up shop.

[Jobu]

On top of it all, this poor sap does all of this with only a single hand. I am starting to see why it takes so long.

Originally Posted by drcy

Don't worry, I was told he washes his hand in between jobs.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by Santo10Fan

I was just told by CS that turnaround time for BGS non-guaranteed is between nine months and one year. Did not check on BVGS.

two reasons to send Cards to BGS
(A) never heard of PSA
(B) see answer A

[Marc Simmons]

Originally Posted by Santo10Fan

I was just told by CS that turnaround time for BGS non-guaranteed is between nine months and one year. Did not check on BVGS.

It’s probably due to the volume of people submitting stupid stuff to be graded. One change I’d like to see, stop grading reprints. Seriously, what’s the point? Unless you’re trying to trick and deceive. Which should not be allowed.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Marc Simmons

It’s probably due to the volume of people submitting stupid stuff to be graded. One change I’d like to see, stop grading reprints. Seriously, what’s the point? Unless you’re trying to trick and deceive. Which should not be allowed.

Even newer cards. If it's not a 9.5 or 10, then there's really no point.

[swarmee]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...155093&page=23

Read the whole thread and it will feel like its unfolding.

[Dpeck100]

OMG I just read through that thread and it is shocking.

I always knew Beckett found itself in a tough spot once they lost so much market share to PSA and had their subscription business collapse in the early to mid 2000's but this is very serious.

Not only does is say they are tying submitters money up the entire time which is north of a year at this point, there is also no communication. There are definitely plenty of collectors who have and love BGS graded cards but this kind of reputational damage can really be an issue for any company. They can't afford to lose their hard core BGS fans at this point.


This is going to be very interesting to follow as the length of wait has been consistently growing so it doesn't necessarily have to stop at 12 months.


I am not in anyway privy or even suggesting BGS goes under right now but if they did what happens to your cards? Would they be easy to get back? Sounds scary.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

OMG I just read through that thread and it is shocking.

I always knew Beckett found itself in a tough spot once they lost so much market share to PSA and had their subscription business collapse in the early to mid 2000's but this is very serious.

Not only does is say they are tying submitters money up the entire time which is north of a year at this point, there is also no communication. There are definitely plenty of collectors who have and love BGS graded cards but this kind of reputational damage can really be an issue for any company. They can't afford to lose their hard core BGS fans at this point.


This is going to be very interesting to follow as the length of wait has been consistently growing so it doesn't necessarily have to stop at 12 months.


I am not in anyway privy or even suggesting BGS goes under right now but if they did what happens to your cards? Would they be easy to get back? Sounds scary.

One would think this must be having a drastic effect on new submissions so the problem should self-correct, if they survive that is

[Exhibitman]

I cannot agree more with the thoughts voiced on this thread.

A year is absurd: hire and train some more people, for crissakes. What BGS is doing is just crappy customer service.

I also agree that the grading lottery is way worse with BGS than with PSA because of the silliness of the subgrades. I submitted one card at the National in AC, and only because the PSA line was too long:



The card is spectacular. The subgrades are nonsense. The same set yielded these:





The three are identical in terms of condition.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I cannot agree more with the thoughts voiced on this thread.

A year is absurd: hire and train some more people, for crissakes. What BGS is doing is just crappy customer service.

I also agree that the grading lottery is way worse with BGS than with PSA because of the silliness of the subgrades. I submitted one card at the National in AC, and only because the PSA line was too long:



The card is spectacular. The subgrades are nonsense. The same set yielded these:





The three are identical in terms of condition.

... I had always wondered about how BGS graders arrived at their final grade because it obviously wasn't just an "average" of the four subs ; many years ago , just before 9/11 as I recall , at the Fort Washington,PA show , someone at their table explained to me that the values of the subs were weighted , with corners and centering counting the most , and surfaces and edges less so ; and in answer to a specific question he also told me why the particular sub-grade for "corners" was almost always the lowest of the four subs : " Beckett graders consider a sportscard to have eight corners i.e. the 4 on the front and then the other 4 on the reverse"---- sooooo all that plus the high value put upon that particular sub-grade is perhaps why we just shake our heads when the cards come back and mutter unkind words about Beckett graders.----- I have seen a BGS final grade of more than .5 higher than the 'corners' grade perhaps twice ?? in twenty years , and they were very low end cards to start with. PSA's 'eye appeal' factor doesn't exist in Texas. And I remember they gave me a very nice Beckett Tee-shirt.

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

... I had always wondered about how BGS graders arrived at their final grade because it obviously wasn't just an "average" of the four subs ; many years ago , just before 9/11 as I recall , at the Fort Washington,PA show , someone at their table explained to me that the values of the subs were weighted , with corners and centering counting the most , and surfaces and edges less so ; and in answer to a specific question he also told me why the particular sub-grade for "corners" was almost always the lowest of the four subs : " Beckett graders consider a sportscard to have eight corners i.e. the 4 on the front and then the other 4 on the reverse"---- sooooo all that plus the high value put upon that particular sub-grade is perhaps why we just shake our heads when the cards come back and mutter unkind words about Beckett graders.----- I have seen a BGS final grade of more than .5 higher than the 'corners' grade perhaps twice ?? in twenty years , and they were very low end cards to start with. PSA's 'eye appeal' factor doesn't exist in Texas. And I remember they gave me a very nice Beckett Tee-shirt.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought the overall grade could not be more than .5 higher than the lowest sub but maybe I am wrong about that.

[Dpeck100]

Peter that was my understanding too.

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought the overall grade could not be more than .5 higher than the lowest sub but maybe I am wrong about that.

This is my understanding, too.

[rats60]

I have seen rare circumstances when it was 1 grade higher. For example if centering, corners and edges were really high, say 8-9 and surface was low, say 3, the card could be a 4.