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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I just got this in today's mail. It has Central Tobacco Company there in red, at the bottom of the front panel. Anyone have any idea when this box would have been used? And how similar or different would it be to a circa 1910 box?? |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Art M.
Here is an image of an American Tobacco Company Cycle cigarettes box that I had from early 2000. Maybe the one you pictured is a foreign issue? |
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Posted By: Jeff Mohler
Don't know anything about cigarette packs, but I am going to throw my hat in the ring and guess that it is a Mexican or Cuban tobacco pack. I think the 20 centavo tax stamp is the distinguishing difference. I bet Central Tobacco was a subsidiary of American Tobacco. |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
My Cycle box is from 1896 and is a slide & shell. If the tax stamp was 1909 or 1910, it would be period. It also contained 10 cigarettes. Art's box is later than 1911 because of the fact it has 20 cigarettes. Frank's box is also a 20 count box. |
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Posted By: Scott B.
I thought both Rich and Jon are very knowledgable in tobacco packs. How come we see such a big diff opinion this time? I guess all "known" info related to tobacco packs are not really set in stone. |
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Posted By: barry arnold
Frank et al, |
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Posted By: Troy Kirk
It looks like this box is from the General Tobacco Company, not Central. According to the World Index, General Tobacco was located in Chile. There were some card sets issued by the General Tobacco Company in Chile from about 1900-1915, but no baseball cards. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
You guys are great!!! Yes, that looks like General Tobacco, not Central. And the stamp is definitely Spanish language, "centavos" and "caja" give that away. Chile sounds believable to me. The style and printing of the box makes me think that they were all made one place, then that red printing was added for the particular nation of destination. |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Scott B - I am 100% certain about my 1893 dating of the tax stamp. 20 count boxes have been available since March 1, 1879. |
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Posted By: leon
I have 2 similar to Frank's packs except one stamp is orange...and I have one like Art's picture above. It has a 1901 tax stamp and the overprint can't be read....it says "20 for 5 cents" on the side.....regards |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
I'm still learning about packs each time a different one shows up. I never knew 20 counts existed before 1911. Jon has always been my source for info when I don't know. |
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Posted By: 1880nonsports
but I never said succinct - when the tobacco companies came up with packaging for tobacco products - the weight or number of cigars or cigarettes determined the tax to be paid. It was paid when the stamp was BOUGHT and stamps purchased at earlier dates could be put on packages at later dates @ the original cost paid (you know the government - the tax due NEVER went down so I imagine the companies purchased them like futures). I actually have seen a pack with a 1910 stamp affixed to a package sold in 1955 but I digress. Whenever a different count/ configuration came about they would issue a new stamp for that amount. The newly issued stamp would therefore give an origination date. The "Newly Issued" 1893 stamp with "20" in the corners clearly shows the date at which 20 count packages went into circulation. When available - the CANCELLATION date of the stamp is the BEST indicator as to when a pack actually went to market. |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Henry - correct me if I'm wrong but to add to your information, I believe the Manufacturer's notice that first began appearing on cigarette packs in December of 1869 was a direct result of small "mom and pop" cigarette packs actually recollecting the used boxes and reusing them to avoid paying the tax again... |
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Posted By: 1880nonsports
by many to cheat the government. Repacking was problematic for the manufacturer and the government. To circumvent paying taxes on tobacco - cigars and perhaps cigarettes (I wasn't aware |
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