Would this kind of grading company interest you?

[Sogcollector]

What ever happened to third party grader Alan Hager from the early 1990’s? Based upon what we are seeing now with the PSA grading fiasco, how did Hager’s grading compare to PSA’s? Was it materially better or worse? Why didn’t his grading methodology last? I bought a graded Jordan RC from him in 1993 when I was a kid and recall buying a book he wrote with photographic examples of various grades.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sogcollector

What ever happened to third party grader Alan Hager from the early 1990’s? Based upon what we are seeing now with the PSA grading fiasco, how did Hager’s grading compare to PSA’s? Was it materially better or worse? Why didn’t his grading methodology last? I bought a graded Jordan RC from him in 1993 when I was a kid and recall buying a book he wrote with photographic examples of various grades.

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[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Sogcollector

What ever happened to third party grader Alan Hager from the early 1990’s? Based upon what we are seeing now with the PSA grading fiasco, how did Hager’s grading compare to PSA’s? Was it materially better or worse? Why didn’t his grading methodology last? I bought a graded Jordan RC from him in 1993 when I was a kid and recall buying a book he wrote with photographic examples of various grades.

Have there been problems found with cards graded by Alan Hager?

[conor912]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Have there been problems found with cards graded by Alan Hager?

Oy. Don't give Moser any ideas.

[wondo]

Originally Posted by Sogcollector

What ever happened to third party grader Alan Hager from the early 1990’s? Based upon what we are seeing now with the PSA grading fiasco, how did Hager’s grading compare to PSA’s? Was it materially better or worse? Why didn’t his grading methodology last? I bought a graded Jordan RC from him in 1993 when I was a kid and recall buying a book he wrote with photographic examples of various grades.

We have now come full circle. Some of you youngin's may not know this, but the original TPG (Alan Hagar's Accugrade) was developed with the specific purpose of slabbing doctored cards and duping the collector into buying his product. It had nothing to do with authentication or grading standards. It was less reliable than PRO! I am not sure that PRO isn't a direct descendant of Accugrade.

[robw]

Someone must have mentioned something like this method before? I’ve always thought there should be a way the TPGs could detect resubmissions with proprietary invisible ink. Wouldn’t help a brand new submission, but would seemingly be a deterrent from resubmission. I thought this is done for some autographs.

Leads to another question...if this method was used on a card, would a collector downgrade the card as being altered or “marked?”

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by robw

Someone must have mentioned something like this method before? I’ve always thought there should be a way the TPGs could detect resubmissions with proprietary invisible ink. Wouldn’t help a brand new submission, but would seemingly be a deterrent from resubmission. I thought this is done for some autographs.

Leads to another question...if this method was used on a card, would a collector downgrade the card as being altered or “marked?”

I would not want any substance added to my vintage cards.

Blowout seems to do a pretty good job identifying cards by natural fiber patterns on the back of cards, sort of like facial recognition techniques. So I don't think anything would need to be added in a lot of cases.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by robw

Someone must have mentioned something like this method before? I’ve always thought there should be a way the TPGs could detect resubmissions with proprietary invisible ink. Wouldn’t help a brand new submission, but would seemingly be a deterrent from resubmission. I thought this is done for some autographs.

Leads to another question...if this method was used on a card, would a collector downgrade the card as being altered or “marked?”

I would.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by wondo

We have now come full circle. Some of you youngin's may not know this, but the original TPG (Alan Hagar's Accugrade) was developed with the specific purpose of slabbing doctored cards and duping the collector into buying his product. It had nothing to do with authentication or grading standards. It was less reliable than PRO! I am not sure that PRO isn't a direct descendant of Accugrade.

Alan did invent the slab, or had a patent on it anyhow, I believe. If anyone can find one of the old Accugrade ads in SCD from the early 1990s it would be amusing to look at.

[Copa7]

I find it interesting that many of the sports we follow have went to electronic officiating. (replay and goal line technology)

While realizing that some human still has to make the final decision, there are flaws as well as advantages.

Will we find a parallel in the modern card grading, perhaps? Just thoughts...