Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by jad22

Was there a lot of interest in Snowgrass, Doyle and others back in 2007 to warrant forgeries?

I wish it was as simple as using common sense here. That if there was little interest in a signed card it would be more likely to be real. Makes sense, except as we've learned, many forgeries are on small ticket items instead of the Babe Ruths. And it's not like autograph forgeries are a relatively new phenomenon. Remember, the $20 bill is the most counterfeited bill in the US, not the $50 or $100 bill.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I wish it was as simple as using common sense here. That if there was little interest in a signed card it would be more likely to be real. Makes sense, except as we've learned, many forgeries are on small ticket items instead of the Babe Ruths. And it's not like autograph forgeries are a relatively new phenomenon. Remember, the $20 bill is the most counterfeited bill in the US, not the $50 or $100 bill.

Great point Jeff! Plus, I can say with 100% certainty that the major Authenticators place much more emphasis, time and due diligence on the Ruth’s, Cobb’s, Gehrig’s, Mathewson’s, etc. The TPG’s exemplar files for the major HOFs are so much more extensive from both a “good” vs. “bad” perspective. It’s much more difficult to pull off “fraud” on the higher-end scripts. Of course, this does not excuse them from not doing their homework on any autographs. When I purchase a valuable autograph, while I certainly need a respectable LOA, I always use my own common sense and expertise before pulling the trigger.

[uniship]

Are we ever going to learn the name of this asshole forger?

[sgbernard]

Originally Posted by uniship

Are we ever going to learn the name of this asshole forger?

Ha, I know! I keep checking the thread, the suspense is killing me!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by uniship

Are we ever going to learn the name of this asshole forger?

+1

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wouldn't expect AHs to give up names, but given the seriousness of the situation I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect them to make a statement about their assessment of and intended response to the problem. That doesn't seem too much to ask, does it? Perhaps it's too soon, but hopefully that will be forthcoming. They certainly are not shy in general about communicating.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wouldn't expect AHs to give up names, but given the seriousness of the situation I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect them to make a statement about their assessment of and intended response to the problem. That doesn't seem too much to ask, does it? Perhaps it's too soon, but hopefully that will be forthcoming. They certainly are not shy in general about communicating.

hahahahahahaha

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

hahahahahahaha

We're still waiting for one from PSA about the Gretzky Wagner.

[mantlefan]

Originally Posted by uniship

Are we ever going to learn the name of this asshole forger?

Not likely on this site Eric. Instead of being given the chance to check our collections to see if we have any dealings with this douche, we're told to be patient.

[RedsFan1941]

simmer down. there are things that are of more importance than the typical net 54 mob extracting its pound of flesh. you have gone a couple years not knowing this forger or forgers existed. is it really going to kill you to wait a few more days or even a week?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

simmer down. there are things that are of more importance than the typical net 54 mob extracting its pound of flesh. you have gone a couple years not knowing this forger or forgers existed. is it really going to kill you to wait a few more days or even a week?

In another week this will have been forgotten and we will be onto a new scammer we will care about for a few days.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

simmer down. there are things that are of more importance than the typical net 54 mob extracting its pound of flesh. you have gone a couple years not knowing this forger or forgers existed. is it really going to kill you to wait a few more days or even a week?

Are you kidding? There must be blood. And it must be public.

[painthistorian]

Manny- You are a very funny guy....and had great insight to stir up this hornets nest!

[Laxcat]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Are you kidding? There must be blood. And it must be public.

This can’t be... Net54 memes? I like it.

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Are you kidding? There must be blood. And it must be public.

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[JoeRand]

This is fantastic!

[painthistorian]

In response to Frank & others, Leon made it clear on an earlier post, I will gladly explain why public posting is not prudent at this time:

#1- This criminal activity is being handled by legal authorities and they will be better in finding the actual leaders and forgers if we do not allow the perpetrators to crawl back under their rocks, which may have occurred anyway since none of us initially realized the extent of this criminal activity.
#2-I do not know the name of the specific buyer of my Baker card, I do know the location, but there is enough info already out there to know the autograph hobby has severe vulnerabilities and your "dealings" were probably not with this guy anyway. The behind the scenes group that used various people to swindle grading services and authenticators are sophisticated and intentional, if you bought authenticated signed items, you should really care to wait until the investigations are done and its best to leave specifics off public forums in order to actually GET THIS RESOLVED which everyone in the hobby will benefit from.
#3-EVERYONE THAT CARES ABOUT THIS HOBBY, as a collector, dealer, authenticator or grading service knows that this forgery association has infiltrated certain high end items, not just common autographs and luckily manny(set builder) figured the tip of the iceberg out initially and there are now many people that care and are knowledgeable involved...THIS SITUATION is a toxic poison that must be RID of so its in everyone's best interest to stick together and educate yourselves. Most of those fake T206's are not even that good, but good enough to pass authentication so everyone needs to re learn the wheel and pray the good guys get these poisonous vermon. Also WATCH the video that Manny has posted on the net54 boards just recently, if you can see how amazing this one artist is with a pen, then imagine worldwide how many artists have the talent to reproduce a signature.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mantlefan

Not likely on this site Eric. Instead of being given the chance to check our collections to see if we have any dealings with this douche, we're told to be patient.

Actually, it is likely just not yet. There are things happening behind the scenes and it has been asked to not make the info public yet. Most of the people who have been working on this know the IDs so they aren't completely being kept secret. The info is just not being made public due to ongoing investigations.