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Old 11-08-2007, 11:30 AM
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

In 1908 Connie Mack signed a promising 20-yr old prospect, Joe Jackson....he played in only 5 games with the A's and batted .130.

So, he was sent down to Greenville, a AA team in the Carolina Association. He played in 87 games and hit .346

1908 Greenville Team photo from which AMERICAN CARAMEL most likely used, to design his "strange looking" Rookie card in their E90-1 set.








In 1909 the A's gave Joe Jax another chance; however, he lasted for only 5 games in Philadelphia. He batted .294.....but, he just did
not "fit" with Mack's team....both the crowds in the stands and even some of his teammates, harassed him for his "backwoods" style
of playing the game. So, he was sent down to Savannah (South Atlantic League), where he batted .358 in 118 games.




On July 25, 1910 there was one of the worst player trades in all of BB history. The A's sent Joe Jax to the Cleveland Naps for Bris Lord.
I guess Connie Mack thought with his Championship winning team, and the fact that Joe Jax just wasn't fitting in the Philadelphia scene.....
this trade in 1910 was a smart deal. Connie Mack had a great eye for talent....but, he certainly was wrong on this one.
Shoeless Joe batted .387 for Cleveland in 20 games. He spent most of 1910 with New Orleans (the Champions of the Southern Association).




Consider this guys and gals....had Joe "cottoned-up" to Connie Mack (and those fickle Philly fans) and had been one of Mack's "favorites";
Joe would have avoided "Comiskey and Co."....and perhaps, be an even more renowned HOFer than Cobb.

Let's have your thoughts on this subject....pictures....or cards ?


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Old 11-08-2007, 11:34 AM
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Very cool Ted!

How many more championships would that Philly team have won with Joe Jax?

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Posted By: Jason L

that is a stinker, aesthetically, to be sure. But why does it have an apostrophe after Jackson's name? never noticed that before.

thanks for sharing the photos, Ted..cool stuff!

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

I do have to say in that last photo Jax did not get the memo to wash his uniform that day. No but seriously I am very sure if he would have with Mack his whole carrier obviously he would not have been kicked out of baseball and I am sure he would have been a top notch HOFer today. Now I don't know about being better than Cobb but he would have been up there IMO.

By the way Great pictures!!!

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Old 11-08-2007, 12:20 PM
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

The "apostrophe" is actually a misplaced COMMA.

All other, E90 cards have either a comma (or a period) that follows the player's name.

I have not seen an E90 Jackson card with either a comma or a period following his name....so, I don't think this "flaw" is an error or variation.

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All the ones I've seen have the apostrophe.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

About 15 years ago I paid approx. $120 for this card in Vg-Ex condition.

There are two of them on ebay now for about $25,000....a factor of 200 x what it sold for back in the late'80s,
or early '90s.

Can any other BB card beat that kind of evaluation increase in that period ?

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

There were some nice snapshot photos of opening day in 1909 in Jacksonville, FL of a game between Savannah and Jville on ebay about a month ago. They were inside a photo album that had all kinds of historically important photos (Taft's inauguration, et cetera) I'm not even sure if the winner of the auction realized the significance of the baseball photos because none of the other items he bids on are baseball related and the ebay auction made no mention that Joe Jackson played for Savannah.

edited to add: The link to that old auction is still active with the photos.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300158309095

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Hi Ted,
Nice thread... Here is my only Jackson shot from that time:





Be well Brian

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Posted By: Rhys

I have some newspaper articles which talk about Joe Jackson leaving the Athletics without permission because he was homesick for his new bride and how he has blacklisted himself etc. I dont think Connie Mack sent him anywhere, I think he just went and was allowed back because he was such an enormous talent. The articles talk about how he could not stand the north and missed his wife so badly that he just could not handle it.

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