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Posted By: Scot Reader


Ted:
Just back from a trip. Tomorrow will post some results of my survey data on EPDG and the seven [or six if Lundgren (Chicago) has been confirmed with Piedmont 350] possible 150-only additions.
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Posted By: ockday

ames p150
doyle p150
ewing p150, sc 150
jones p150, p150
schulte p150

previously mentioned these 2..lindaman and lundgren both p150

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Scot Reader

This survey regarding the 7 (possible) cards at this point is overwhelmingly
in favor of them being "150-only" candidates.

The single exception of one reported "P350" of a Lundgren (Cubs) is raising
doubts in my mind. Perhaps this card was mistaken for Lundgren (KC) which
of course would be a 350 Series card. Statistically speaking, something just
does not jive here. Call me a "skeptic", but until some more "350" cards are
reported in this survey, I have my doubts.

Also, aren't you surprised by the few (3) reported Sovereign 150 cards in this
group ?

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Joe,

I will try to get a scan to you. I don't have a scanner or a digital camera, so I'll have to borrow one. Thanks for your help. Back2Final4

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Posted By: Art M.

Ted writes:
"This survey regarding the 7 (possible) cards at this point is overwhelmingly
in favor of them being "150-only" candidates."

There are more than 7 cards that would fit the profile in Ted's survey.

Anybody have/seen a T206 Mullin, throwing (horizontal) with ANY Sweet Cap 350 back? Probably not.

Anybody have/seen a T206 Schaefer, Detroit with ANY Sweet Cap 350 back? Probably not.




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Posted By: Bob Donaldson

Ames, hands at chest - Piedmont 150 fac 25
Doyle, throwing - Piedmont 150 fac 25
Jones, St Louis - Piedmont 150 fac 25
Lindaman, Boston - Sovereign 150 fac 25
Schaefer Detroit - SC 150 fac 30

Great thread!

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Old 06-07-2006, 08:18 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Art M

Hey guy......I fully agree with you. I am presently working on my 3rd T206
set (3/4 complete) and I know that there are other possible candidates that
fit "150-only" category. However, early in this Thread a comment was made that
certain "150-only cards could not have EPDG backs", so this motivated me to
start this survey (focusing on these particular 7 cards). Anyone else can con-
tinue this on any number of additional T206's suspected of being "150-only".

OK guys....the 10 PM tally......

PIEDMONT 150 & SWEET CAPORAL 150 = 113

SOVEREIGN 150 = 3

El PRINCIPE de GALES = 11

HINDU = 15

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Posted By: barry arnold

thanks Art.
i had a feeling with that many epdg's you were going to
have the most t206's of the crowd---and with 1200 you're right up there.
we can still contend that epdg is much rarer than we thought.
i see your point about sov. 150's rarity,too, ted; lee b.'s
thread is corroborative.
and with your data on the 150 only folks, it looks like the
backs world is gaining some very interesting clarity.

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Posted By: Mike Ernst

Great thread!!!
I have about 580 T206--all collected prior to 1975, with no regard for backs.
There are only 2 EPDG-
Schlei catching and Pfeister seated

Of the seven we're tracking:
Ames--Piedmont 150
L. Doyle throwing--Hindu
Ewing--Piedmont 150
Jones--Piedmont 150
Lindaman--Piedmont 150
Lundgren (3)--all three are Piedmont 150
Schulte--Hindu

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Posted By: robert a

Ted,
Two lundgren chicago with piedmont 350s have been reported in this thread.
I'd be happy to send mine to you if you'd like to take a closer look. Let me know.

The other cards that I have are all 150s.

Ames (front) - Piedmont 150
Doyle (throw)- Piedmont 150
Ewing - Sweet Cap. 150
Tom Jones (St. Louis) - Sweet Cap. 150
Lindaman - Sweet Cap. 150
Lundgren (Cubs) - Piedmont 350
Schulte (Cubs) - Piedmont 150

With the EPDGs, I have:

Chesbro
Cobb Bat off
Flanagan
Groom
Marquard Hands Down (2)
Jennings Portrait

I've always felt the Jennings Portrait was harder to find than other 150 cards. It also seems to be found with EPDG and Piedmont 150, but I haven't seen the card with other backs that I remember in the 150 series.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Mike,
I would like to buy or trade for your Schulte Hindu. LMK Thanks Brian


Hi Art,
It's about time you chimed in. LMK when Mullin arrives.

Be well Brian

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Old 06-07-2006, 09:34 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Barry A.

You initiated a great Thread with your EPDG question. Great, because it also
stimulated debate as to the validity of EPDG backs on the 150-only cards in the
set. And, I guess my Lundgren (Cubs) EPDG was the "spark" that ignited it.

Back in the early '80s, another Barry (Sloate) clued me in on the "tough" T206
cards when I first started collecting this set. And, it was then when I acquired
this card and I still recall how excited I was to show it to Barry. Well, 22 years
later, I'm excited again since this card was a factor in the tremendous response
to your Thread.

T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: barry arnold

Many,many thanks, ted.
I feel a bit like frank w. when he says he's worn out(on another thread) because i've done nothing much the last days but check and recheck this site.
But it is a great ride!!!
And it's not over---scot reader et al are promising more information.
Keep tabulatin'!

Best,

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Posted By: Mike Brailey

Out of 329 T206's I have 11 that are El Pricipe de Gales.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BRIAN W.

The jury is still out on these 7 possible "150-only" candidates. But, you
must admit that this survey, so far, is indicating that there is a pretty
high probability that at least 6 of them are in this category.

More significantly, it confirms that these cards were available with EPDG
backs. And, if you are still not convinced on these in the survey, then
please consider the early input on this Thread (by Rob) of a Johnny Evers
(port) with an EPDG back. And, there is no doubt that this card is in the
150-only category.

Also, Art M. suggested more cards (Mullin-horiz and Schaefer-Det) and I am
in full agreement with him. Perhaps, we should conduct another survey on
these and possibly a few more.

Schaefer, for example, was traded to Washington in Aug 1909; therefore, the
T206 designers would not have extended his first card into the 350-Series.
And, its interesting that Schaefer re-appears later in the 460-only Series
(with Washington).

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Old 06-08-2006, 10:47 AM
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Posted By: Brian


Hi Ted,
Art and I have been "chatting" and keeping track of rare backs together for quite some time. We both feel there are many cards in all series that are probably not available with all of the "possible" combinations which should be available.
I'm not sure why you think I'm disagreeing with your conclusions, as I agree with most of them. My major concern is that we still don't have a "known" 150 only card with a ELPD or Old Mill back. Evers Blue Sky is the 150 only, not the portrait, which is availabe in both the 150 and 350 series. In fact I have an ELPD Evers Portrait.
I'm enjoying these threads more than anyone on the board, because I study these cards whenever I have any free time.
Art is the reliable source who has listed Lindaman as being seen with a 350 Piedmont back, but he may have made a mistake, or he may not remember. I'm sure he will chime in shortly.
Trying to figure out the patterns of distribution on these cards has been my passion for years and I'm excited so many others are interested in finding out which cards are really "available" with which backs.

Talk to you soon Brian

PS My Mullin comment to Art had nothing to do with the Horizontal in the thread, but an Orange background Portrait I sent him for his Birthday and his Tiger collection.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BRIAN W.

You caught me in an error....Evers (Blue sky) is indeed the 150-only card.
I always held the idea that any picture of a Chicago (NL) player with "CUBS"
on their uniform as a 150-only card. And, of course Evers (portrait) depicts
this. Sorry, I got carried away. And, you are right we both think the same
regarding the T206's.

OK....I will agree, until we arrive at a more definitive understanding as to
which additional cards can be classified as "150-only". We haven't seen an
EPDG on the known 11 - "150-only" cards....Geo. Browne....M. Brown(Cubs)....
Burch (bat)....Donlin (fldg)....Evers (blue sky)....Pattee....Pelty (horiz)
Powers....Reulbach (Cubs)....Honus Wagner....Sherry Magie (only with P150).

Incidently, did you ever get a chance to check-out your Magee (port) cards to
see if you have a Piedmont 150 in Vg-Ex (or better) condition for me ?

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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Ted,
I think the 6 possible 150 only cards might be part of a small group of cards that were first released in the 150 series with Piedmont, Sweet Cap, Hindu and Sovereign, and the released again in what I will call the first "assorted" series. I believe this first "assorted series" consisted of Old Mill and ELPD brands and was released shortly after the 150 series and before the initial 350 series release. I believe many of these cards that are "supposed" to be available in the 350 series were either not included at all or they were short printed due to there earlier release in the 150 and assorted series. This would explain the relative scarcity of Lundgren, Mullin, etc in the 350 series.
I did check on the Portrait of Magee and I was mistaken, the only Magee Portrait I have with a Piedmont back is my Magie error, and he's not for sale. Keep the info coming guys. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Here we go again, now that we found there are a few Sovereign 150 in the 150 only cards.

Where are all the OLD MILL 150 series only cards? I have been half heartly trying to get all the diiferent backs for the G.Browne Cubs & have never seen Old Mill or EPDG.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Robert A

I have duly noted the prior posting of a Lundgren (Cubs) with a
P350 back in the Table. It bothers me, however, that the scan of
this card has vanished.
I will add yours to the tabulation when I update the tally this PM.

Can you please show us your Lundgren (front & back) ?

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Posted By: robert a

Hi Ted,

I'm not sure why the scan disappeared. I didn't remove it.
I will post it again later tonight.

Along with my trading buddy Chuck P. who mentioned he has one as well, I guess that makes two with a piedmont 350 in this thread.

Best regards.

Robert

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Old 06-08-2006, 02:16 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

As of 4 PM 6/7/06 Tabulation

Note....2 cards have been added as new inputs have been received, they are:

Mullin (horizontal) = 1 (P150)

Schaefer (Detroit) = 2 (P150 & SC150)

PLAYER................150.....350.....EPDG.....HIN DU

Ames (hds chest)....19........0.........0..........2

Doyle (fldg)............18........0.........0..........3

Ewing....................17........0.........3.... ......1

Jones (St Louis)......19........0.........1..........3

Lindaman...............19........0.........3...... ....5

Lundgren (Cubs)......21........2.........4..........0

Schulte (Cubs)........20.........0........0...........3

Totals..................143.........2.......11.... .....17

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Posted By: robert a

The lindaman ending soonest on ebay supposively has a sovereign 150 caboose, but there is no scan included.

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Posted By: barry arnold

T Rex, great work tabulatin'!

I'm wondering about the sampling.
Looks like around 25 examples per card, with a total of 'round 170.
I'm grateful for the responses from folks but wonder what sort of sample we need to get.
In other words, any 'guesses' out there regarding how many of these particular cards may be out there, so we can envision what the tabulations may actually be saying. I would assume that this
board's collectors hold many, if not most, of the cards. What do you think?


again, a great ride!!

best,

herbivore

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Posted By: Scot Reader

From my eBay survey:

1. SUBJECTS CONFIRMED WITH EPDG:

150-only (0.5% of backs seen): M. Brown (Cubs on Shirt)

150/350 (1.1% of backs seen): Beaumont, Bergen (Batting), Bowerman, Bradley (Portrait), Cicotte, F. Clarke (Portrait), F. Clarke (Holding Bat), J.J. Clarke, Criger, G. Davis, Donlin (Seated), Donovan (Portrait), Dooin, Evers (Portrait), Ganley, Gibson, Gilbert, Griffith (Portrait), Herzog (N.Y.), Jennings (Portrait), Karger, Keeler (Portrait), Killian (Pitching), Lajoie (Throwing), Leach (Portrait), Overall (Portrait), Owen, Ritchey, Rucker (Portrait), Schaefer (Detroit), Stovall (Portrait), Tinker (Portrait), Turner, He. Wagner (Bat on Left), Young (Bare Hand)

350-only (1.0% of backs seen): Atz, Barger, Blackburne, Bliss, Bush, Casey, E. Collins, Congalton, Davidson, Demmitt (N.Y.), Dubuc, Jo. Dunn, Easterly, Egan, Fiene (Portrait), Fiene (Throwing), Freeman, B. Graham, Hoblitzell, Hofman, Jackson, Kelley, Lord, Maddox, McCormick, McLean, Nattress, Nichols, Oberlin, Phillippe, Puttman, Rhodes, Schlafly, Stanage

350/460 superprint (1.2% of backs seen): Chance (Port. Yellow), Chase (Port. Blue), Chase (Dark Cap), Cobb (Port. Red), Mathewson (Dark Cap)

350/460 regular print (1.2% of backs seen): Berger, M. Brown (Chicago on Shirt), Doyle (With Bat), Jennings (One Hand), Jennings (Both Hands), Johnson (Pitching), Joss (Pitching), Lajoie (With Bat), Lake (No Ball), H. McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago), Mullin (With Bat), Overall (Hand Face High), Steinfeldt (With Bat), Street (Catching), Tinker (Bat Off), D. White (Pitching), Wilhelm (With Bat), Willis (Throwing)

460-only (0.6% of backs seen): Bell (Follow Through), Bridwell (With Cap), Camnitz (Arms at Side), Chance (Batting), Frill, Gandil, Murray (Portrait)

2. BACKS CONFIRMED ON POTENTIAL 150-ONLY SUBJECT ADDITIONS:

Ames (Hands at Chest): Br. Hindu, P150, SC150/25, SC150/30
Doyle (Throwing): Br. Hindu, P150, Sov150, SC150/30
Ewing: P150, SC150/649
T. Jones: Br. Hindu, P150, SC150/25, SC150/649
Lindaman: Br. Hindu, P150, SC150/25, SC150/30
Lundgren (Chicago): EPDG, P150
Schulte (Front View): P150, Sov150, SC150/30

NOTES:

The EPDG back appears on roughly 1% of T206s.

It seems from earlier posts that Lundgren (Chicago) is a 150/350 series card. It would be great to see scans of any OTHER of the seven potential 150-only subjects identified above with a 350 back so they could be definitively ruled-out as 150-only subjects.

I have never seen any confirmed or potential 150-only subject with an OLD MILL back. It would be great to see scans of any confirmed or potential 150-only subject with OLD MILL--if indeed any exist.

Scot



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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi SCOT,
You need to add the following:
ELPD
150/350:
Bates, Chesbro, Crawford, Delehanty, Hemphill,Johnson Port, Jones st. Louis,Kling, Lindaman, Lumley, Marquard, Mathewson white cap, Mullin hor, Niles, O'Leary, Powell Hor, Scheli cat, Spade, Weimer.

Sorry, heading to CA. in the am and don't have time to finish, but will do so when I retrurn next thursday. Be well Brian


PS I have a Ewing Hindu, and I have seen Hindu's of Schulte and Lundgren.

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Scot please email me

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Ames, Doyle , and Lindaman all P150's in my collection for the record.
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Posted By: dd

EPDG 6 out of 450+ T206's

Cravath
Evans
Joss pitch
Lajoie throw
Konetchy glove near ground
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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Scot,
Add these EPDG to your confirmed list. Can send scans if you need them
1.Bresnahan (bat)
2.Burchell
3.Chesbro
4.J. Collins
5.Evans
6.Kleinow (catch)
7.Krause (portrait)
8.Lattimore
9.Lumley
10.Milligan
11.Shannon
12.Weimer
13.Wiltse (pitch)
all the others I have you have on your list

Ted
Also have a Lindaman with Sovereign 150

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Posted By: barry arnold

Scot, your ebay survey resulting in your contention that the epdg back appears on roughly 1% of T 206's appears to be in line with the data presented by board members on this
thread. many,many thanks.
the ole epdg turned out surprisingly rare to many of us.

all the best,

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Barry A

Your observation is a valid one and I do not understand why we have not
received a larger number of responses. I know of at least a dozen more
Forum members that could contribute....but have not.

As of now, we have 170+ card inputs. If you think about this, it's not really
too bad, and some "statistical genius" would probably tell us that it is quite
a representative sample. Consider this.....professional polls typically sample
just 1000 people and tell us that their poll is representative of a nation
of 300,000 people.....that has always "boggled" my mind.

Barry....I don't know how to increase our sample....other than scanning Ebay
and other sites for more data. Personally, I enjoy the personal responses we
have received on this Thread.

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Posted By: Scot Reader


I should note that I have Brashear, Marquard (Hands at Side) and J. White with EPDG in my own collection. None of these three subjects showed up on eBay when I was taking my survey. My guess is that a sufficient sample (maybe 100,000 or so) would reveal most T206 subjects with EPDG--southern leaguers and ultrararities excepted. So Ted, when can we expect you to complete your T206 set minus southern leaguers and ultrararities with EPDG backs? Scot

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Posted By: sagard

I think you can extrapolate the ratios in another way. Take the cards with a tons of submissions to SGC (HOFs) and measure the ratios of EPDG in those. It won't be perfect but a 200-300 card sample of a single player card may have less bias than a sample of a 400 card T206 collection.

I'd take a look at the data myself, but I won't get to it until the weekend.

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Posted By: barry arnold

ted,

i agree. it has been a great time seeing what backs the
board members have as well as seeing how many t206's they
have. i was quite surprised at times. also great fun doing the 'detective' work and
collaborative work.
and learning some new data along the way.
i'm interested in seeing sagard's statistical work,
if he gets a chance.

many thanks,

barry

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Even if the stats are right, you won't find me thinking EPDG backs are particularly rare. They may not be as easy to find as Polar Bear backs or even Sovereign Backs, but they're much easier to find than most of the other backs that T206 collectors consider to be rare. The fact that I currently own three EPDG through nothing but dumb luck, but in almost ten years of T206 collecting have never owned a Carolina Brights, Broadleaf, Drum, Uzit or Lenox backed card is telling...

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

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I don't think we are stating that EPDG backs are rare (a relative term).
Barry Arnold started with the proposition that this back is somewhat tougher
than has been previously thought.
And, the data we have received here bears this out. In fact your 3 EPDG cards
out of 520 different cards in your set is very representative of our findings.
And, especially since you are saying the 3 you have acquired are just due to
"dumb luck".

Incidently, would you like to inform us of the backs in your set for our Secondary
survey regarding the 9 potential "150-only" cards. Refer to the above Table for
these players and their identifying variation.

Thanx, Ted

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Scot Reader

I have to complete my "all Piedmont" set first and I still need 114 (P350) cards
to attain the "magic" 518 total. I have sort of hit a "bamboo wall" recently in
trying to acquire the remaining cards (some Stars, Major Leaguers. and mostly
Minor Lgers). Either not available or mainly too, too expensive. I am used to
paying < $40 a common. Nowadays, T206 in the $20-40 price range are a little
too "brutal" for my liking (at least on ebay).

So, I do not think I will be taking you up on starting an "all EPDG" set any
time too soon. I will leave that up to some younger guy to try.

T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: William Heitman

It's late and I've just spent a little over an hour on this thread and I've only gotten through June 5. Dan Koochin's posting of 6-4-06 is curious. I do not remember his email. I'm going to go through my notes and lists and post some stuff on this thread.

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Posted By: barry arnold

it will be great to have your contributions, Bill.

all the best,

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Posted By: T206Collector

...way above, at 12:12 pm on 06/06/06:

What backs I have for the following seven (7) cards:

Ames (front) - SC 150
Doyle (throw) - P 150
Ewing - SC 150
Tom Jones (St. Louis) - P 150
Lindaman - SC 150
Lundgren (Cubs) - P 150
Schulte (Cubs) - SC 150

What other Players would you like me to share?


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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

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Sorry guy, I had already tabulated your inputs.
Anyhow, if I understand you correctly, you are the perfect collector of T206's
for this survey, because the backs of your 520 cards are incidental to you; and
therefore, represent a truer random distribution than most.

Also, could you check-out the backs your Mullin (horiz.) & Schaefer (Detroit)
and post them......Thanks much.


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Posted By: T206Collector

Mullin (horiz.) - P 150
Schaefer (Detroit) - you tell me....



...anyone want to sell me an SGC 40?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

As of today, there are no reported "350" backs on Ewing....Jones....Lindaman....
and, only two on Lundgren. However, this survey (177 cards to date) does not
in anyway discount possible "350" backs on the above 3 players.

But, let's consider the 4 above players' Major League history......

Ewing (Cinc).....traded from Cinc. to Phila (NL) Jan. 1910

Tom Jones (St Louis).....traded from St Louis to Detroit on Aug 20, 1909

Lindaman (Bost).....MLB career ended in 1909 (pitched in 15 games)

Lundgren (Cubs).....MLB career ended in 1909 (pitched only in 2 games)

The point I'm trying to make is, as these 4 players' MLB careers changed in 1909,
there is a real good probabilty that the T206 designers decided not to extend
3 of them into their subsequent 350 Series (issued in 1910)....The year 1909,
of course, is critical to this debate, since that was the year the 150 Series was
first issued.
And, regarding Lundgren, a "350" back of him I would argue is very, very rare.

Furthermore, all the EPDG backs have only shown up with these 4 players.
Not a single reported EPDG back for Ames....Doyle....Schulte; therefore, at
this point are we to conclude that these three are indeed "150-only" cards ?

And, I arrive at this conclusion since some have said that "150-only" T206
cards and EPDG backs are mutually exclusive.

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Posted By: scott brockelman

Ted,

I finally got out my set.

Ames front, P 150
Doyle throwing Sovereign 150
Ewing P 150
Jones SC 150
Lindaman P 150
Lundgren cubs P 150
Schulte cubs SC 150

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Posted By: Erik Varon

I only have about 25 T206 cards, mostly HOF'ers. Out of these, two have EPDG backs. They are:

Ed Walsh and Hugh Jennings (portrait).

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Finally rounded up all of the rest:

Jones, Schaefer & 2 Mullens all SC 150s.

Jones and Schaefer were 2 of the last 10 cards I needed.

Lee

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Posted By: Marc S.

and they did not seem particularly hard for me to track down - although getting the rest of the Philadelphia players -- may be tougher now, in light of this thread

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

As of 3 PM....6/10/06

Note....2 players have been added as new inputs have been received, they are:

Mullin (horizontal) = 5 (P150)....1 (EPDG)

Schaefer (Detroit) = 5 (P150 & SC150)

PLAYER................150.....350.....EPDG.....HIN DU

Ames (hds chest)....21........0.........0..........2

Doyle (fldg)............20........0.........0..........3

Ewing....................18........0.........3.... ......2

Jones (St Louis)......21........0.........2..........3

Lindaman...............22........0.........4...... ....5

Lundgren (Cubs)......22........2.........4..........1

Schulte (Cubs)........21.........0........0...........4

Totals..................155.........2.......14.... .....20

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Posted By: Dan Koochin

I've always used Lew Lipsets' 'Marketing of T206'
as a reference - link below.

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_17.html

From an advertising standpoint, only Piedmont, SC
and Sovereign are mentioned in the first printing of T206.
Hindu comes later. My personal speculation is that EPDG
staring issuing late September/early October 1909. By that
time Hindu is issuing 350 series cards. To clarify, I
speculate EPDG is also 'a 350 series issue'. Doesn't
mean EPDG doesn't have 150 series subjects, just means
it was issued after the 'first' 150 series print run.

The '9' 150 series shortprints shouldn't have EPDG backs.

The others you are tabulating card backs for will have EPDG backs, I'm not surprised. Ted, Scott I'm unclear why its necessary to group these in with the other 9 that do not feature EPDG backs.

Ted , Scott
Are you saying EPDG was a 150 series brand issued right
from the start (speculative June /July?)and somehow didn't
issue the '9' shortprints, nor advertise their product. Or are
we agreeing they were issued later, roughly late fall 1909?

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