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Old 01-23-2015, 02:12 PM
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Default What am I missing on Moe Berg?

Is it just me ... or are the prices asked (and sometimes received?) for Moe Berg cards WAY out of whack with other cards?

I mean the guy was an average player and a spy. Okay. Big deal.

Why do the prices for his cards rival/exceed the prices for Lou Gerhig and Jimmy Foxx?

I just don't get it.

Seems to me Berg cards should be more in line with Al Schracht cards. A common player, with an interesting back story, that makes him more than a common and less than a super star.

Am I missing something???? Why do you have to mortgage the house to get a bad condition Berg card in the 33 Goudey of 36 Fine Pens?

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Old 01-23-2015, 02:44 PM
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Is it just me ... or are the prices asked (and sometimes received?) for Moe Berg cards WAY out of whack with other cards?

I mean the guy was an average player and a spy. Okay. Big deal.

Why do the prices for his cards rival/exceed the prices for Lou Gerhig and Jimmy Foxx?

I just don't get it.

Seems to me Berg cards should be more in line with Al Schracht cards. A common player, with an interesting back story, that makes him more than a common and less than a super star.

Am I missing something???? Why do you have to mortgage the house to get a bad condition Berg card in the 33 Goudey of 36 Fine Pens?

Patrick
Lots of people collect Jewish players as well. His story is one of the most interesting and oft repeated in the history of the sport...at least for a non-all star type player. You will also notice that there isn't much of a difference between, say, a PSA 3 and PSA 6 for the 33 Goudey. Only around $100 or so on average. This tells me that people are more interested in getting an example of the card than they are getting a better condition one. Thus, the popularity of the player due to his Jewish heritae and his uber-interesting story lead to a demand for the card.

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Old 01-23-2015, 03:18 PM
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Besides being a Jewish ballplayer, he has a popular culture place far above Schact. Berg's story is quite compelling: Ivy League educated lawyer who would rather spend time as a bullpen catcher than working at a far more lucrative profession [he said "I'd rather be a ballplayer than a justice on the U.S. Supreme Court."], early recruit to the OSS, an actual overseas spy. At one point he was tasked with attending a conference in Switzerland to evaluate Werner Heisenberg's progress on the A bomb, with instructions to assassinate him if Heisenberg seemed to be close to building a bomb]. He parachuted into occupied Yugoslavia to work with and evaluate the various resistance groups. His wartime services resulted in the Medal of Freedom [2nd highest civilian honor at the time]. He was the subject of a best-selling book, The Catcher Was A Spy. Also a very popular character of the day who seemed to know everyone from the President on down. Here he is with Joe Louis.

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Old 01-23-2015, 03:20 PM
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Bullpen catcher stuff is HUGE. I own a complete uniform worn by Astros bullpen catcher Javier Bracamonte.

I wish he was also a spy
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Old 01-23-2015, 03:42 PM
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I guess I still just don't get it.

Hank Greenberg was Jewish. His cards go for less, and he was a much better baseball player.

Jimmy Doolittle did a lot more in the war ... and his cards (in the 1934 Sky Birds series for example) barely go for more than a common.

I mean I understand there would be a premium for Berg versus a common. He was an interesting guy (but so was Schact).

But when his cards are priced at the level of Gerhig and Dimaggio (and he carries a premium versus regular HOFers of the era)... well, that just seems silly to me.

But to each his own I suppose.
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That's Schacht to you, buddy
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Old 01-23-2015, 07:04 PM
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Sorry but could not resist:

And that is Gehrig to you also.

Peace, Mike

PS oh.....and it's DiMaggio.

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A few years back I heard there was a Moe Berg movie in the works. Did it ever get made?
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That is like Bob Uecker, a common who has far more value then he should have.
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Old 01-23-2015, 10:14 PM
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SMPEP, read The Catcher was a Spy. Then consider that Berg touched a broad spectrum of very diverse people. A few of those folks, here and there, probably wanted a Berg card back in the late '40s to late '50s. Kinda like how Shag Shaughnessy's white border southern league card had increased demand in the teens, 20's and 30's, because of his position in minor league baseball. Lots of folks who didn't really collect baseball cards did want one of Shag's in those days.

I think that's what pulled some of Berg's cards out of the hands of normal collectors ("normal, thought that was a setting on a clothes dryer") and into the hands of folks who'd only get one card, Moe's. Those singletons are now most likely lost to our hobby.

Based on the way you asked your question and your first response, it sounded like you'd already made up your mind.

Somewhere, I have one of his business cards from long ago. If I can find the right box I'll get an image posted.
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