The Cincinnati Wagner "Graded"

[scmavl]

For those that remember this, here is a fun little update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI3mP8xV-KE

(I did a search in case this has already been posted, but didn't see it)

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Pictures of the card are now circulating online, see below:

[MVSNYC]

The show was interesting. We know this story from many years ago. Unfortunately for Ray, the card is wrong in so many ways. The investigation can start and stop with the large (not accurate to T206) name, team caption.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

ACA Grading, based in St-Jerome, Quebec, met with the men recently and after examining the card, decided it was an "unreleased version" of the hobby's most famous trading card, issued in 1909 and then recalled after objections by Wagner.

[z28jd]

This show was from early 2013, covered here https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=161975

As you can see a few pages back in this post, I have the same reprint card they have and freely shared scans of it at the time. I would not be working right now if that card was real, I would have sold it 20 years ago, and I wouldn't just assume it was fake unless I didn't have 650+ real T206 cards to compare it to. They refused to take expert opinions on the card, as if auction houses wouldn't be beating down their door to sell that card

[scmavl]

Originally Posted by z28jd

This show was from early 2013, covered here https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=161975

Ah, I searched "Edwards Wagner", but didn't see that come up in my search. Maybe the dash messed me up. Just one of those legendary hobby stories...

[philliesfan]

I must have been in a coma as I have never seen this story before.

When I saw the scan of the card on the first page, I started laughing.

Bob

[Fred]

Wow, blast from the past.

[joshleon]

I watched that entire video and loved it....not for one second did I think it was real...neither did the investigators.

"T206 Earl Gray Portrait with piedmont back"

[Misunderestimated]

At the beginning of the video it recites as fact the number of T206s produced and the number of T206 Wagners produced. Are these facts known?

(This video was interesting and sad although I kinda knew how it would end).

[Mark17]

I loved how the card owner, quite uncomfortably, gave his lame excuse why a multi-million dollar card would be graded by someone other than the Big 3.

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I loved how the card owner, quite uncomfortably, gave his lame excuse why a multi-million dollar card would be graded by someone other than the Big 3.

hes been at it for so long. I wonder how he is able to afford all of these shenanigans, unless he is being paid to be humiliated on these shows.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Much more closer to the truth is that you would be completely lost without one, as the counterfeit details of many of those cards are not at all clear to the naked eye. With regard to the trimmed cards, many of the most famous dealers prior to TPG in the early '90's carred a loupe with them to shows where they bought raw material in order to check the edges in just the manner I specified, because the cards would indeed measure correctly, and the trimming could not be detected with the human eye. Instead, magnification was required to properly examine the edges and to compare their much sharper appearance against those known to have been factory cuts.

It would clearly seem that you have voluntarily chosen to fall within the category of those befallen by prejudice and/or arrogance, prefering to decide the issue presented on the basis of who these people who own the card are and how different they are from you, when what is really important are the actual facts pertaining to the card itself. You can attempt to rebutt me all you like, but you can't kid yourself about what you really see deep inside you, and you won't change the actual facts about your behavior until you yourself change! Your hostility is only indicative of the truth of the above, which, when you've been brought face to face with it, brings about resentment on your part, and the nastiness comes through. I feel sorrow for your pent-up hatred, which causes you to behave in a manner which you most likely would not prefer, and tends quite strongly to make a complete fool out of you.

Best wishes on a successful metamorphis, becoming a person more willing to objectively consider various sources of actually relevant information, rather than jump to a conclusion based on all the wrong reasons. Remember, my initial post in this thread merely indicated I would like to have more objective information conderning the card itself, rather than people's reactions to the identity of the would-be seller. I did not take any position with regard to the card's validity at all, and most assuredly did not start the nasty comments, but as you have readily seen, am more than capable of defending my position against them.

Larry

And Larry wonders why I think he’s a fool. This is clearly why, next time you see me I’ll know since I couldn’t recall why I thought you were an idiot the last time we talked at a national. You are a moron if you need a loupe to tell that cards bad. Sorry that’s just a fact. Not that anyone who reads your dumb arse posts wouldn’t already know you are a fool. I don’t care what race those gentlemen are only an ignorant clown would defend that card and say something so idiotic like you need a loupe. What ignorance for such a longtime collector.

[rjackson44]

Probably the most idiotic thing I’ve ever watched😳😳

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

I must have been in a coma as I have never seen this story before.

When I saw the scan of the card on the first page, I started laughing.

Bob

+1 on everything he said

I will just add...5 page thread about probably the fakiest fake card of all time!

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by jingram058

+1 on everything he said

I will just add...5 page thread about probably the fakiest fake card of all time!

Agreed you think🥺🥺