The Cincinnati Wagner "Graded"

[MW1]

Originally Posted by Mdoe

The issue has never been the back- generally accepted that the back is real and the front is a reprint affixed to an authentic back. Also, there are reprints out there with factory numbers.

Yes. I know. I was being facetious.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

They've created their own reality distortion field.

LMFAO Thanks....

Sincerely, Clayton

[z28jd]

Did anyone notice the picture they used to help you learn about the t206 set? Looks like four of those cards are just as real t206's as the Wagner they are trying to sell.

For full disclosure, I hope it does sell for 10x what it is actually worth and the person who buys it, takes it famous places and takes pictures with it, Flat Honus

[Angyale]

Did anyone notice the examiners cert calls it an unrealesed version instead of an unreleased version.....

[MW1]

Originally Posted by Angyale

Did anyone notice the examiners cert calls it an unrealesed version instead of an unreleased version.....

The entire website is filled with misspellings, malapropisms and unintentional (but humorous) errors.

I predict the card won't get higher than $1000 if eBay decides to allow the auction to run to completion but you never know. If the price remains low -- at least relative to T206 Wagners that are authentic -- it's going to be a more difficult task for Cobb and Edwards to try to paint all potential eBay buyers as racists.

If, however, the card sells for much more, I have to think that we will see a lawsuit at some point after the new owner submits the card to PSA, SGC and/or Beckett.

In the long run it is difficult to see how Cobb and Edwards are going to profit from their obtusely contrived business venture.

[g_vezina_c55]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...vip=true&rt=nc

[barrysloate]

A 600K starting bid is every bit as dopey as every other aspect of this story. And of course it will pass and these two guys will still own the card.

[Tsaiko]

This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

That's it, it's no longer available, .....or is it??? Did ebay nuke it?

"The T206 sat of cars is full with errors"

[bn2cardz]

From the auction description:

"Do you end auctions early?

Sorry, but we do not end auction early. Auctions will go for the full duration."

From Ebay:
"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."


Their website also states that the auction will be on April 18th, so was this just a teaser?

[V117collector]

I thought this interview was pretty good..

[jerseygary]

Well, master printer Arnie Schwed says it's real, so what more do you want?

Seriously, I've never seen that video before and boy what a sad story it makes. I have to hand it to those two fellas for riding it out this long, but it still don't make that reprint real. If so, me and my little brother would be on easy street living off those Dover Reprint books my Mom bought us back in the early 80's!

[Matthew H]

Lol eBay already cut the auction

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Lol eBay already cut the auction

Ebay didn't cut the auction. Had Ebay cut the auction you wouldn't be able to see the pics, description, opening bid, etc.

The sellers stopped the auction shortly after starting it. Id imagine they did this as a "test" to see how it looked and that they had all their info on there how they wanted it.

[cobblove]

I bet they were testing to see if ebay would cut the auction early if they listed it.

[2dueces]

Geez, I'm really tired of this story and card. Can we please just chalk this up as a fake and put it to bed once and for all. No one with money to buy a Wagner is going to touch this card with a ten foot pole.

[Mdoe]

It is humurous, and a bit ironic, that the suggested items on the ebay auction page are all reprint Wagners vice real T206s...

One would think that if you are trying to sell an item for 600K, you would at least check spelling and grammer of your listing.

[DerekD]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

Ebay didn't cut the auction. Had Ebay cut the auction you wouldn't be able to see the pics, description, opening bid, etc.

The sellers stopped the auction shortly after starting it. Id imagine they did this as a "test" to see how it looked and that they had all their info on there how they wanted it.

I'd say it's was just an ad to point to their website, which they only put in there five times. Hopefully it will get reported enough that ebay will remove it totally.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Mdoe

It is humurous, and a bit ironic, that the suggested items on the ebay auction page are all reprint Wagners vice real T206s...

One would think that if you are trying to sell an item for 600K, you would at least check spelling and grammer of your listing.

Correct spelling is "grammar."....sorry, couldn't resist.

[frankbmd]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdoe View Post
It is humurous, and a bit ironic, that the suggested items on the ebay auction page are all reprint Wagners vice real T206s...

One would think that if you are trying to sell an item for 600K, you would at least check spelling and grammer of your listing.
Correct spelling is "grammar."....sorry, couldn't resist.

Barry,

That comment was not humurous (????????)
grammarically (????) speaking. I couldn't resist either.

Frank

[Mdoe]

I clearly have the poor grammar part down... Now I just need to create my own Wagner T206 and a website dedicated to proving its authenticity...

[bobbyw8469]

Do you end auctions early?

Sorry, but we do not end auction early. Auctions will go for the full duration

LOL!! Looks like they ended the auction early!

[iggyman]

Just when you thought it was safe to be a suburbanite prewar card collector. They're here!

http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2012...er-set-auction

There's a place for us.........Somewhere a place for us.......Peace and quiet........and open air..........Wait for us.........Somewhere.........

Lovely Day...

[g_vezina_c55]

another step in the saga.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Just when you thought it was safe to be a suburbanite prewar card collector. They're here!

http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2012...er-set-auction

There's a place for us.........Somewhere a place for us.......Peace and quiet........and open air..........Wait for us.........Somewhere.........

Lovely Day...

I have learned that the cousins are writing these stories and distributing them using the web site http://www.prweb.com/. The site is used for companies to send out press releases to online news companies. The news companies just grab the stories from them without discernment.

[barrysloate]

The owners say "We want everyone to have the facts."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anybody seen any facts up to this point?

[Leon]

I called the auctioneer today and left a message. He called me back and seems like a really nice guy. We spoke for approximately 25 minutes. He knows the whole story. At the end of the day I think it is more about publicity. I told him at the end of all of this he will be out a lot of time, make no money and could possibly be a laughing stock. He took it in stride. He says he is only going by all of the experts who have authenticated it and is a venue only. I guess the company who authenticated it knows some hockey player....or vice versa and that gives them some credibility, according to him. After we spoke and spoke I just had to let him know that no matter what is said, or done.....it is still just a fake card. Plain and simple.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The owners say "We want everyone to have the facts."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anybody seen any facts up to this point?

There are two facts:

1. It's a reprint
2. The sellers know it's a reprint

[CW]

Chris Felix, Cincinnati sports artist who was commissioned by the ToppsTrading Card Company 2 years ago will be featuring an original painting that illustrates the cousins 10 year journey.

Wow. How exactly does an artist render 10 years of epic failure on canvas?

I will admit, I have been mildly entertained by this whole ordeal. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. I am also curious to see if eBay actually lets this auction run its full course.

The real irony here is that if these two cousins had spent this much time and energy on a credible, legitimate business venture, they would've likely been on their way to making close to the same amount of money that they seek for this "Wagner".


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[Tsaiko]

Originally Posted by Runscott

There are two facts:

1. It's a reprint
2. The sellers know it's a reprint

1. They're fake breasts
2. She knows they're fake, we know they're fake.
3. Someone won't know or someone won't care.

P. T. Barnum said it best......

The potentially sad thing about this, is that someone ignorant of the hobby might buy it, then a month later they'll stumble onto net54 and want to show off their new possession.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by Tsaiko

The potentially sad thing about this, is that someone ignorant of the hobby might buy it, then a month later they'll stumble onto net54 and want to show off their new possession.

Hope this will not happen.

[CW]

The auction appears to be live, with a starting bid of only $500K...

Link to eBay auction edit: auction pulled. Link will not work.

They have also posted what appears to be a new YouTube video, as well as a preview of the new painting created to depict the owners' ordeal with this card. Yes, it keeps getting better!

http://youtu.be/DrZNmp_eYMY

[CW]

Had to post this screen cap. Gold.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

This screams volumes. My only issue with it is that it should be in size 24 font in bold print at the top of the description.

Disclaimer:
Manage My Auction, LLC and the listing agent makes no representations or statements of fact on the authenticity of the Cobb / Edwards T206 Honus Wagner Piedmont back baseball card. Manage My Auction, LLC, is a third party professional auction listing services company. We are not affiliated with eBay. We are an independent company. Viewers of this page and bidders agree and acknowledge that they will indemnify and hold harmless Manage My Auction, LLC and its officers, members, employees, partners, agents and staff from any and all claims, causes of action, actions, suits, errors, judgments, actions, failure to obtain any licenses, releases and/or consents and demands as a result of any acts of omission, negligence, injuries or damage to persons and/or property arising out of or in connection with the use of the services specified. Viewers and bidders also certifies that any information and/or materials supplied to Manage My Auction, LLC by Ray Edwards and John Cobb is accurate and complete and therefore Manage My Auction, LLC is not liable for any inaccurate and/or incomplete information or materials provided by Ray Edwards and John Cobb to Manage My Auction, LLC.

[bn2cardz]

I posted yesterday (a lost post) that it is obvious from the disclaimer that the Auction company is not taking any position on whether it is authentic. To me, since they are the posters on ebay, that is an authenticity disclaimer that Ebay is not suppose to allow.

Also I noticed in their description they reference the t206museum. If you go to their site they have a picture of the card and it says it is a fake. That seems like a backfire on their part. haha

[bn2cardz]

I see ebay took down the auction. I guess managemyauction and ACA didn't have it worked out with ebay like they claimed.

[Runscott]

Cut the guy some slack - I really think he meant to say 'HOBBIT', which of course makes perfect sense. I mean, Hobbits can't really authenticate anything.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by runscott

cut the guy some slack - i really think he meant to say 'hobbit', which of course makes perfect sense. I mean, hobbits can't really authenticate anything.

haha

[ullmandds]

i sent the seller a message this morning telling him/her what a joke this auction was as the card is a pathetic fake worth about $1 maximum...I wonder if this had any impact!?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i sent the seller a message this morning telling him/her what a joke this auction was as the card is a pathetic fake worth about $1 maximum...I wonder if this had any impact!?

I reported it to ebay as having a "authenticity disclaimer". So even if they got permission for having an ACA graded card, I can't imagine it could make it past the disclaimer problem.

[tbob]

"Why don't those in the collecting hobby except science."
Hobbyists don't disavow science, I think he means why don't they accept science.
I feel sorry for the guy because it's obvious he feels the card is genuine no matter how much opinion and information is stacked against him.
He needs to deal with the fact the card is not genuine. period.

[ctownboy]

I was going to ask the sellers this question.

If I were to take an authentic T206 baseball card produced in 1910 that had a Piedmont back and I cut that back off and then glued on the front of a Honus Wagner reproduction, could I also have a forensic examiner test only the BACK paper fibers, have an obscure Canadian company grade the card and say it is an error or unknown variation and then list it on eBay for a starting bid of $500,000 dollars?

I doubt they would list the question on eBay or respond (or if they did, I am sure it would be something derogatory and full of misspelled words).

David

[barrysloate]

Now that ebay shut him down, is it possible he will finally come around to the fact that his card is no good? Or will he look for yet another venue to try and sell it? At some point he needs to face reality.

[Runscott]

Hey, one of the cuckoos fell out of the nest...

How the f**k are you. First I have been on ebay since 2002, check my HBO and ESPN videos (www.honuswagnerauction.com) or yutube Cobb and Edwards. Secound Mr. know it all on T206's, what company reprinted my card. I need the company name. Don't call it a reprint and you don't know the company that reprinted the card. Also I have been collecting cards and other items for over 30 years. I know what I have and have done the research to prove what I have is the real deal. Do your research and tell me what company reprinted my card since you are calling it a reprint. Good look on finding that company. And if you are not interested in buying my card, then mind your business and move on.....

- rainbow95x87

[ullmandds]

Not lookin' like it barry!

[barrysloate]

You're right Peter...these guys aren't giving up. Of course, it wouldn't hurt them to get some manners....

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hey, one of the cuckoos fell out of the nest...

How the f**k are you. First I have been on ebay since 2002, check my HBO and ESPN videos (www.honuswagnerauction.com) or yutube Cobb and Edwards. Secound Mr. know it all on T206's, what company reprinted my card. I need the company name. Don't call it a reprint and you don't know the company that reprinted the card. Also I have been collecting cards and other items for over 30 years. I know what I have and have done the research to prove what I have is the real deal. Do your research and tell me what company reprinted my card since you are calling it a reprint. Good look on finding that company. And if you are not interested in buying my card, then mind your business and move on.....

- rainbow95x87

Why do they think that every company that makes reprints acknowledges that they are making a reprint?

[drc]

Aren't the authentic versions supposed to say 'No a reprint' on them?

[bbcard1]

I do admire their tenacity. I only wish they were doing something productive.

I once had a friend who was very gifted at arguing that a bird and a fish were the same animal. But a bird can fly. Some fish can fly. But fish live in the water. Ducks live in the water and they are birds.

I think these guys would get along very well with my friend. I might add, you can look at a fish and tell it's not a bird.

[drc]

Sorry. Birds are on the water.

[Runscott]

These guys would fail the 'fish=bird' debate miserably - their logic is flawed on so many levels it isn't funny. My favorites:

• any T206 that has a factory designation on the back is by definition, 'authentic'
• if it doesn't say 'reprint' on it, then it isn't a reprint
• if you have a video on the internet, then you are by definition correct
• ...
• ...wait for it...
• ...
• ...
• ...
• ...
• ...
• ...the number one most flawed piece of the 'Scam Cousins' logic...
• you can create a real T206 Wagner from a reprint

Well, that last item wasn't exactly an example of 'logic', but I felt like venting.