T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Hey everyone,

I want to apologize. I made a mistake and the card is not for sale. I should not have posted anything and I apologize again.

Thanks,

Dylan

[Sean]

Please show us a scan.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Dylan

[Luke]

[Sean]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I can send you an email and you post it. I do not know how to post images on forums like this lol

My email is T206@att.net

[charlietheexterminator]

The gentleman sent me the pic, here it is, 715K and it’s yours.

[Sean]

It's the #4 Wagner in the T206resource Wagner gallery.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by charlietheexterminator

The gentleman sent me the pic, here it is, 715K and it’s yours.

Darn the luck. I just cashed out my 401k to buy a PMG Jordan green. C’est la vie.

But welcome to the Board, and good luck with the sale.

[RedsFan1941]

won’t last long

[ezez420]

It’s lasted for over a year. So yeah lasted long.


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[Yastrzemski Sports]

Here it is.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...6-wagner-sale/

[bigtrain]

Just curious as to what part was altered and how you reverse a restoration.

[ezez420]

My bad 4+ years.


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[KMayUSA6060]

I just want to be able to say I commented on a T206 Wagner For Sale thread.

[TUM301]

Trades ?

[Smanzari]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I just want to be able to say I commented on a T206 Wagner For Sale thread.

You know what, this is history, me too!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

won’t last long

It's a relative bargain. I just want to know what the shipping charge is going to be? And I might remind everyone of the caveat emptor nature of our board. I am not saying anything bad about this listing. It is always caveat emptor on our board whether it is a 1 dollar card or a Wags at 715k.

[SetBuilder]

Maybe it's because I'm super cynical and skeptical about everything, but how do you have such an expensive card and not know how to take a picture or scan of it? It's 2019 and you certainly must have deep pockets and resources, no? It's not hard to take a picture of a card. Sorry to be a jerk.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Once again, I apologize the card is not for sale.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Hey everyone. Sorry for not taking better pictures if someone is interested I will. Again, the part that got restored was the original owner wanted to fix the yellow paint on the top of the card, but then after he saw the altered rating he removed it. So the card we have now is original and it looks amazing. A PSA 2 Wagner sells for 900k+ now, and this card would be a PSA 2. Also, the reason we have had the card for so long is because we have not been trying to shop it. Again, we had a retail store gottahaveit! and the card was perfect for eye candy, we also went to a lot of shows. After 25 years, the retail store had to be closed so now we are trying to activity shop it. This is a great investment because Wagners are just getting more and more expensive.

You own a large music memorabilia auction house with it's own website and social media accounts and you can't even post a scan of the Wagner you're selling from a new account? Your company is closed, but why are you still accepting consignments for your next auction?

[Yastrzemski Sports]

You don’t reverse an alteration. That’s why it is graded A. Because the reversal didn’t fool psa.

I might want to refer the op to a major auction house to sell his items - most of the items listed are auction worthy and there are plenty of links on this site to find them.

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Just curious as to what part was altered and how you reverse a restoration.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Maybe I’m having a hard time understanding. You sent a photo to another member which the Wagner was graded Authentic and in an older psa holder. Then you are saying that the original owner removed it from the holder to remove the paint. This was listed for sale by you about 5 years ago from the scd link. So is it currently in a psa holder or was it removed from the holder? Because if this card was removed from the case then it is actually a raw card. And if it was done before you purchased it then you may have a fake card with a real label. Just trying to clarify because the story is a little unclear.

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Hey everyone. Sorry for not taking better pictures if someone is interested I will. Again, the part that got restored was the original owner wanted to fix the yellow paint on the top of the card, but then after he saw the altered rating he removed it. So the card we have now is original and it looks amazing. A PSA 2 Wagner sells for 900k+ now, and this card would be a PSA 2. Also, the reason we have had the card for so long is because we have not been trying to shop it. Again, we had a retail store gottahaveit! and the card was perfect for eye candy, we also went to a lot of shows. After 25 years, the retail store had to be closed so now we are trying to activity shop it. This is a great investment because Wagners are just getting more and more expensive.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought he was giving the history of the card prior to it grading Authentic.

[Leon]

I just spoke with the seller (Dylan) on the phone for a few/several minutes. I think he is selling what he says he is, maybe some of the things are on consignment. As I don't personally know him I can't vouch for him but he seems legit to me. If anyone buys the Wags please don't just send a money orde for 700k > DO your due diligence but he seems fine to me,. Good luck, Dylan.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

It says “after he saw the altered rating he removed it”. The photo shown of the card in the holder has damage to the edges of the holder. I’m thinking this is a raw card.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought he was giving the history of the card prior to it grading Authentic.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

It says “after he saw the altered rating he removed it”. The photo shown of the card in the holder has damage to the edges of the holder. I’m thinking this is a raw card.

He also says "Graded Authentic" and "it says altered." Pretty ambiguous. Maybe it was resubmitted?

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Darn the luck. I just cashed out my 401k to buy a PMG Jordan green. C’est la vie.

But welcome to the Board, and good luck with the sale.

Best comment I've seen this week.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

That’s what I originally thought. After I closely read every word I am thinking otherwise. It’s an odd thing for a music store to have the greatest baseball card ever. I would have sold it immediately to buy some rare music memorabilia. It’s like me having Hendrix’ strat as a decoration. But being ungraded may explain why the item hasn’t been brought to an auction house. Maybe the op wants to chime in to clarify?

[ullmandds]

if owner "added paint"...then removed...the card is altered...imo?

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

if owner "added paint"...then removed...the card is altered...imo?

100%. Once a card has been altered there is no way to unalter it.


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[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

That’s what I originally thought. After I closely read every word I am thinking otherwise. It’s an odd thing for a music store to have the greatest baseball card ever. I would have sold it immediately to buy some rare music memorabilia. It’s like me having Hendrix’ strat as a decoration. But being ungraded may explain why the item hasn’t been brought to an auction house. Maybe the op wants to chime in to clarify?

Card is not for sale I apologize

[ullmandds]

additionally it appears the owner of the card is a card doctor?

[trdcrdkid]

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

[ullmandds]

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

Or last name. Just "Dylan."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Or last name. Just "Dylan."

I have his info but see no reason in mandating all it be public right now. Anyone interested can PM him and if there is an issue let me know. He seems like a nice enough guy from our short conversation.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Ok. Now please clarify. Is the card sealed in a psa holder?

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Hey, so again we were two companies. GottaHaveIt! and GottaHaveRockandRoll. GottaHaveIt! was a retail store focused on sports memorabilia, opened for 25+ years. The owner is one of the best experts in Sports in the world. The card is under consignment yes, as we know a lot of people and for the right price we have some amazing items that the same guy would sell. The retail store closed down, so now we are actively trying to shop the card. Again, we have been in the business for 25+ years, we know a lot of people. There are two owners, one is sports focused, one is rock and roll focused, so thats why we have a card like this, which again is under consignment.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have his info but see no reason in mandating all it be public right now. Anyone interested can PM him and if there is an issue let me know. He seems like a nice enough guy from our short conversation.

I wasn't suggesting it was mandatory, I was suggesting it's lame to offer a 750K card without even putting your name behind it.

[obcmac]

He also has a Joe Jackson black Betsy bat on memorabilia side...maybe get a 2 for 1 deal?

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

Card is not for sale I apologize

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[SetBuilder]

Not sure how the OP thought he was just going to casually list a $700K card using a new account and not cause a fuss. I'm sure he's a legit guy at the end of all this, but he acted kind of fishy by not listing his name and posting a scan. I choose to remain anonymous here because I'm just an idiot in the grand scheme of things, but if I ever come to own one of these Wagners and list it here I'm going to put my name behind it. Just common sense.

[Leon]

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by obcmac

He also has a Joe Jackson black Betsy bat on memorabilia side...maybe get a 2 for 1 deal?

The hole is getting deeper.....Will he combine shipping if we buy both?

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by Leon

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

The card is not for sale I apologize

[Corporal Lance Boil]

Originally Posted by Leon

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

That thread is an interesting read, and certainly worth a look. I won't link to another site but its' under Member/Trades Feedback and references a 25K Jordan collection. Due diligence.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent. For someone with probably $1m+ worth of items, the sale could have been handled better. Once you start out on the wrong foot it’s hard to get back.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I will get more pictures of the card. You guys are animals sheesh I am getting ganged up. I am just busy lol. What happened in Blowout was the same thing. I posted a Michael Jordan card collection and everyone was annoying me and asking for more pictures, also I was asking people to consign items and they banned me for that. Everything is legit I will post more photos and stuff later give me some time.

Damn it's sure annoying when potential buyers ask for more information. I empathize.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

At first I thought this meant that the card was reslabbed recently, but now I see that the reslabbing happened years ago. The 2014 Sports Collectors Daily article linked to by Adam Y. in post 11 of this thread depicts the Wagner in the same slab, and it says, "The last known sale of this particular Wagner card was through Mastro Auctions in 2010 for $219,225. It was restored many years ago, but the restoration was later reversed."