Pack of Caramels with Cobb Showing

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Posted By: Matt

If a board member won this, I'd be interested to know how the story ends.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&it em=280327076652

Guaranteed a caramel Cobby, but which one? Much more fun then opening a pack of Piedmonts and finding an Abbattichio (no insult intended to any of his fans that read the board).

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Posted By: Kyle

I was hoping too that the winner is on the board.

I found this auction this morning and did a bunch of research on the true "3" caramel cards in the lot.

There are 2 D311s, 2 T206s, 1 T205 and 3 "caramels". Kleinow is the sleeper of the group. According to my outdated card catalog, he doesn't appear in any of the American Caramel sets thats also have Cobb AND Zimmerman. It led me to believe these cards could have been T216, E98, Crofts, Mello, and a variety of others that I'm sure I was way off on. So who knows what it could be, assuming all three "caramels" are from the same set.

Still pretty neat.

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Posted By: Michael C

a $3000 gamble. Can these be soaked?

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Posted By: dstudeba

There is 1 D311 (Danzig), the other is a T212.

Interesting mix of cards, I did not see it but would also be interested in how it turned out.

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Posted By: peter ullman

I only see 1 d311 there...in super nice shape. And I doubt these are t216's as the print clarity isn't indicative. I'd guess e102's...if we'll ever find out.

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Posted By: Rhys

I live here in Boise where these cards are located and almost asked to go see the cards in person but I knew ultimately it did not matter what I saw, I would be outbid so I did not waste the sellers time.

Rhys

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Posted By: Matt

Peter - the Cobb could be E92 (non-Dockman), E101, E102, E105 but I agree, that the print looks to be too nice for any Cobb issue post 1911 that has that pose.

That the piece is a collection of different issues, has me curious about how it got made.

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Posted By: Kyle

I am such an amateur when it comes to ID'ing certain issues. Thanks for the clarification.

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Posted By: leon

I think the Cobby and Zimmerman might be E101's due to the very large bottom borders. Too big of a gamble for me right now, not knowing what they are pasted on with. I hope someone will come forth and let us know how it turns out. regards

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Posted By: dstudeba

Yes Matt, and when it got made.

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Posted By: Mike Mccullough

I was hoping to pick this lot up but my sniper wasnt set high enough..
You think Dick Towle will get a call in the near future? :-0

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Posted By: Ed Hans

Dan and Matt,
I thought the same thing. What an odd mix of cards for a kid to paste into a scrapbook in 1912. And the black construction paper too...most of the scrapbooks from that era that I've seen have white or cream colored paper. I was very concerned that the "book" was put together in the 50s or 60s, and the glue wouldn't be water soluble. Best of luck to whoever won it.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

It would be fascinating to see it up close and in person. Were all assuming the buyer is looking to free these cards from their keepsake, which is a risky proposition at best.. fingers crossed it all turns out OK!

marty

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Posted By: dstudeba

Yes Ed, just a strange assortment of cards. I have seen scrapbooks from that era with black construction paper, but where is the rest of the book? Plus the papar looks in great shape. I was more worried that a person had 8 cards that looked like the one below and decided to increase their value.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

The Cobb looked fine, but a couple of the other cards looked abit small. The puchaser did well for the Cobb card alone depending on/if back damage is present.

There are people in other world's with finds, just nonus got that one.

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Posted By: Alan U

"where is the rest of the book?"

This auction closed about a week ago under a different ebay user ID, but looks like the same seller:

http://tinyurl.com/cx6kn4

Not sure if that raises any red flags or not.

I agree with Leon that the caramels look like E101's.

-Alan

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Posted By: dstudeba

Thanks Alan, I missed that one too. Why didn't anyone post about it before the auction ended? It was in the right category so obviously everyone saw it.

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Posted By: Rhys

The other thing that lends to the theory that these were put in the book later is that the same seller also sold some 1920 Rose Bowl team Postcards of the Harvard and Oregon teams glued to the same black scrapbook paper. These were obviously not done until after 1920 so the baseball cards were glued after that date it would seem and probably even later. She did mention in the first auction (linked above) however that one of the cards had sort of popped off and you could see dried up glue on the corners. Hopefully that did not mean dried up rubber cement. Either way, the Stain Guy could probably fix them up.

Rhys

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Posted By: peter ullman

I thought I saw some 20's era original bb photos pasted in a similar manner sold by the same seller. Personally I think this piece is legit and close to period.

I don't think the mixture of cards is suspicious for a "baseball fan" of the era...who may not be familiar with the different issues. Am I naive? Oy vey!

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Posted By: Rhys

I dont think anyone is doubting the authenticity of the cards or the paper used to adhere them etc. However, there can be a big difference between glue in 1910 and glue in the 1940's and that might make a huge difference when trying to free these cards.

Rhys

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Posted By: Ed Hans

Peter,
There's not doubt whatsoever about the authenticity of the cards. I think most of us are a bit suspicious about the presence of P.C.L. cards mixed in with tobaccos and caramels that were issued in the eastern half of the country. Not to mention baking, tobacco, and caramel related issues all in one collection and on the same page. It just has the feel of a collection that was assembled well after the cards were issued. That, of course, wouldn't matter if it weren't for the issue of the glue.

[MikeS]

New to the site and found this. Here'e the results....the two T206 cards were old mills with no damage. One Obak with initials on the back. Three E102's..Zimmerman & Klienow had paper loss previously before being remounted. The cobb looked great but there was a small piece of the border missing on the front left (as if it stuck to the page ahead in the book). Otherwise EXMT....the D311 danzig is NM+. Sent out or grading and will have results back by Friday.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by MikeS

New to the site and found this. Here'e the results....the two T206 cards were old mills with no damage. One Obak with initials on the back. Three E102's..Zimmerman & Klienow had paper loss previously before being remounted. The cobb looked great but there was a small piece of the border missing on the front left (as if it stuck to the page ahead in the book). Otherwise EXMT....the D311 danzig is NM+. Sent out or grading and will have results back by Friday.

Thanks for the update! So the Cobb was an E102. Keep us posted

[MikeS]

Danzig - EXMT SGC 80
Cobb - VGEX SGC 50 (if it wasnt for that tiny tear on front...looking at EXMT)

[edhans]

Nice results. Congrats.

[MikeS]

Thanks Ed