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Old 08-27-2010, 09:17 AM
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Default New additions to the w590 Boxing Strip cards checklist???

Hey guys,

For the three people who may be interested in this, I purchased a group of strip cards that were in pretty rough shape—as is to be expected with strip cards. It was a mixed bag of w580 and w590 cards. In the scan below, you will see a Jack Dempsey, which has been catalogued before. However, there are 3 other w590 boxers (and one card of strongman Siegmund Breitbart—famous in Jewish forklore) that I have never seen before, so I figured I would share them with you. They are w590 cards of Joe Lynch, Jack Bernstein and Sid Terris—at least I think they are w590 (Adam, please correct me if I am wrong). As was the case with me, I am not sure if anyone else has them on their w590 checklists.
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Yep, the three will add to the checklist the next time out, though coincidentally I picked up Terris at the National ($3) from a dealer who had no idea what it was; basically any fighter he'd not heard of was $3, regardless of set, condition or anything else.
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Old 08-28-2010, 07:31 PM
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$3?!?! I HAVE to make my way out to the national next year. I LOVE boxing card collecting. I can actually afford it!
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:21 PM
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Default some better scans of the dempsey cards

see scans below
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Old 09-09-2010, 06:46 AM
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Default w590 checklist

Here's an initial attempt at putting together an updated checklist for the boxing cards in this tough multi-sport strip card set. I've only got 18 boxers listed. Not sure if there were any more included in the set.

You can see some smaller scans in the initial post to this thread, and I have also posted some larger scans of Jack Dempsey in the post above this one. I'll include some better images as I get further along in collecting this set.

As always, if you have anything to add, please do.

w590 checklist:

Paul Berlenbach
Jack Bernstein HAVE
George Carpentier
Jack Dempsey HAVE
Johnny Dundee HAVE
Luis Firpo
Frankie Genaro
Abe Goldstein
Harry Greb
Jack Johnson
Benny Leonard
Joe Lynch HAVE
Mike McTigue HAVE
Jack Renault
Sid Terris HAVE
Gene Tunney
Mickey Walker
Harry Wills

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If this checklist is still accurate ... this means that it is possible that Goldstein and Renault were mistakenly attributed to the W580 set when they shouldn't have been ... BUT Owen Moran, Tommie Ryan, and Jimmy Wilde are not listed in either set.

Does anyone have a w590 card of Owen Moran, Tommie Ryan or Jimmy Wilde?

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Default W580 Tommy Ryan

It has been a while since I visited these sets (w580 and w590) but this worthpoint link is the only reference I have ever seen to Tommy Ryan in either set. I used to have the image saved but this was three computers ago. I also abandoned collecting these sets but I could be willing to dive in again. Anyway, here's the link: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...garettes-tommy
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Strollers is a type card I'd love to stumble across.

Although I've published it repeatedly people and especially graders do not seem to understand that there was a W580 parallel tobacco issue in Siam [Thailand]. Here is a side by side of a Siamese card [L] and a W580:



Besides the obvious cutting differences--the Siamese cards are machine cut--the other key differentiating factor is the card stock. The Siamese cards are printed on a thin white stock with a finished front and back, so both sides are white-ish and there is some gloss to the fronts. They feel like E120 and related E issues. W580s are made of chipboard with one side finished and there is normally no gloss apparent. W580s are also nominally thicker and coarser than the Siamese cards.

A final good indicator is where the cards come from. The Siamese cards were almost certainly a British tobacco issue for export ciggies, so they are often found from UK sellers. I've also picked up several groups from Thailand and Malaysia and Singapore.

In terms of rarity, the Siamese cards are many, many times more difficult to find than the W580s. I would classify them as equivalent in rarity to T219 Red Cross. They are the sort of card you stumble across.

Hunting these down in eBay is also tricky. In scans it is often tough to tell whether a card is just really nicely cut or a Siamese card. The grading companies do not know the difference, though I plan to send SGC and PSA an explanatory memo when I post a version of this to my blog.
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Strollers is a type card I'd love to stumble across.

Although I've published it repeatedly people and especially graders do not seem to understand that there was a W580 parallel tobacco issue in Siam [Thailand]. Here is a side by side of a Siamese card [L] and a W580:



Besides the obvious cutting differences--the Siamese cards are machine cut--the other key differentiating factor is the card stock. The Siamese cards are printed on a thin white stock with a finished front and back, so both sides are white-ish and there is some gloss to the fronts. They feel like E120 and related E issues. W580s are made of chipboard with one side finished and there is normally no gloss apparent. W580s are also nominally thicker and coarser than the Siamese cards.

A final good indicator is where the cards come from. The Siamese cards were almost certainly a British tobacco issue for export ciggies, so they are often found from UK sellers. I've also picked up several groups from Thailand and Malaysia and Singapore.

In terms of rarity, the Siamese cards are many, many times more difficult to find than the W580s. I would classify them as equivalent in rarity to T219 Red Cross. They are the sort of card you stumble across.

Hunting these down in eBay is also tricky. In scans it is often tough to tell whether a card is just really nicely cut or a Siamese card. The grading companies do not know the difference, though I plan to send SGC and PSA an explanatory memo when I post a version of this to my blog.
Great information, Adam, as usual. I was fortunate to complete the "known" set of 60 cards in both versions (Siam and regular) and can attest to the difficulty in tracking down the Siam cards before selling them both. I might have been missing a card or two in each but between the 2 I probably had 117/120 and one complete "set" between the two. I think I might give it a whirl again. I cannot wait to read your blog post on the subject.
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Very sorry to bump this old thread, but I am wondering if this is the Jack Johnson from the W590 set. Can anyone confirm this please.

Thanks a lot


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Looks like a W590.
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