1967 Panini Boxing- Valida Back: Image Needed

[Box-Cards]

Hi. My first post ever, but I've been following all the site's boxing collectors/experts' posts for so long that it feels like I already know most of you. I had been looking for a decent quality, large and clear enough to be fully readable, image of the Valida back from Panini's 1967 Campioni Dello Sport. I've spent so much time researching Google-Bing-Ebay-and searching other internet sites that I'm exhausted--so I figured it was about time I used this quest's opportunity to not only come with my plea, but to start joining in henceforth. Every image I had run across thus far has been too low resolution to make everything in the text out, or too small a PIC to zoom up properly, or simply completely out of focus in the first place.

In return for anybody helping me out there, I'll do my best to become more active in the future as a casual poster myself. I'm sure I have much I could share with everyone and anyone in general whose passion includes global boxing card collecting, usually rare background knowledge on global issues, and certain aspects of their history. I look forward to joining in finally wherever what I do know or have collected fits in.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Just out of curiosity, what do you need such a high res scan for?

[Box-Cards]

Here's the story; A bit of further self-introduction necessarily precedes it...

I could use the scan on a project I first started about 2-decades ago, in 1992, while I was intensely researching international boxing cards in general and with emphasis on Jack Dempsey and Ali's issues in particular.

In 2000, I self-published an introduction booklet to this project and brought copies up with me to Canastota's IBHOF annual inductions that year, to its Collector Show. Since then, as life and time allowed, I've been working on a formal version book based on this project to be professionally published upon final completion; a "Muhammad Ali Global Boxing Card Review."

The Review book is something I was encouraged by the Krause back in 1996 to do back--after submitting to them a similar Illustrated Global Review book manuscript completed on Jack Dempsey's cards. Dempsey's work was rejected ("the boxing niche is too small compared to the other main sports for us to consider JD economically"). But in closing Krause offered: "Should you do one like this on Ali instead, he has cross-over appeal and we'd like to see it and certainly be interested." So Dempsey's project was put on a back-burner and I dove body and soul with Ali my primary project ever since.

My Ali Global Review's full chapters are nearly about finished, chapters divided by decades starting with the 1960s; all text intros and each decade's database checklists properly in its place; (most every) checklist card's face and obverse images illustrated--or a placeholder in some cases holding the spot in the finished layout. Right recently I finished the last chapter on the 2010's, and I'm currently starting at the front again proof reading and looking to fill in whatever place-holders needed filling; an almost final stage.

The only quality scan or image I'm lacking in the first chapter's layout for the 1960s is: The Valida variation back of the 1967 Panini #451... then its on to the rest of the chapters.

Myself, I have certain Clay/Ali cards in my collection from discoveries made back in the 1990s during the height of my international research; ones that I believe to my knowledge that others here in the US have never seen. These are being saved for their revealing in the Ali Global Card Review. However, from reading posts here I take it that there are some passionate collectors of Jack Dempsey's issues; just as have always been myself.

If get some needed help in completing my final go-through stage of this Ali project, I will in return be happy to post images of various Dempsey issues that it could be others have not seen or knew about as well. Also, because I am now at a place where I've discovered that my true personal passion is in serving as an 'historian' of global boxing cards rather than needing to own every card out there or that I happen to possess, any cards I post for others to see or should list I will be happy to consider parting with, so long as I have their images and background information secured.

A quick example: I've been reading a lot of buzz over Tyson's '86 Panini now that grading companies are putting them in slabs. England's Evan Jones became my good friend in the early 1990s; I even shared my Collector Show tables at the 1995 IBHOF Inductions with him; his first trip here. We did a lot of trading back then. In a '96 trade I received 5-sets each of 5 different Panini's boxing subset series that Evan had put together for me virgin from packaged wrappers. Yesterday, I pulled the binder I'd stuck these in way back then for the first time since '96 and, yes: there's 5-full sets of the '86 series each with a virgin Tyson that had never been handled except for Evan pulling them from from packs and sending them to me; then into a binder.

The Swede 1920-1930's cards of Dempsey? In 1997, I spent the next 4 years researching the entire region of Sweden-Holland & Denmark. I note I have 3 (2") binders full of that region's early boxing issues. A number of their cards, including Dempsey and other star issues, have never been seen or known of in our US hobby. I will enjoy posting their images soon.

So, that's the long answer for what I need the high res-scan for...
Thanks for taking the interest to ask.

[Exhibitman]

Neat; I'd love to see the research. The global reach of Ali in particular is amazing. Do you have info on these?

[Box-Cards]

Hi Adam:

I'd been hoping to consult with you personally and even directly hook up specifically with you potentially on this project for some time now. That actually was the basis for my quick email to you a while ago with "something I'd like to table." Given that you emailed back, I apologize for not having had the opportunity to follow-up privately with exact details sooner. I was hoping you'd see my post and perhaps be among those you might respond. I have huge respect for everything you've done and continue to do in the boxing card sector. I greatly enjoy those LuLu-effort books you've authored.

So said, perhaps we could take this aspect of that enjoyable "thing of ours" further from here--even inviting interested others regarding this Ali Global Review project prior to its final version being formalized and taken to print. Whomever could contribute anything not already represented in the Review would, of course, receive full credit in the Review's Acknowledgment section. To boot, and depending on degrees, I'd be so greatly appreciative that I'd consider compensating whatever assistance by in return sending them various boxing cards they may not possess. I realize I have so many after all these years that its time I started doing something that others may enjoy and appreciate as much as I did collecting them...a lot of dupes, too.

To get to your TEK question:

Wish I could say I knew more about them, but can't. I never saw or heard of their existence until you'd posted them on your website.

However, I have a friend in Hawaii who knows a good deal about Japanese and Philippine boxing card issues. After I first saw the TEKs posted, he was contacted in hopes he could expand on their background. He couldn't--never seen nor heard of them before himself. Nevertheless, he stated he has taken it on as a mission to find out more and see if any other subsequent cards or their images from the same series can be located with his personal contacts. Haven't heard back from him yet but that is my best lead to discover more. If and when I do hear from him on it, I'll let you know.

Last thing: Any quick tips for a 'novice Net54 poster' as to the easiest process and steps in order to start posting some interesting images myself? I haven't had (read: taken) the time to search 54's FAQs first to read up on it where it is covered somewhere, as I should have already... I know.

Good to hear from you; look forward to doing so again, and on the project.

Dan in Rhode Island

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

Dan, PM me your email address and I can send you a clean Valida scan later today.

[Box-Cards]

Hi Arthur:

Just to let you know by quick note that I got tied up both with the project and aspects of family life, therefore haven't yet posted the package I intended for you as mentioned previously. I'm taking a personal break tomorrow and, by then or the next day, I'll be getting that off...with my best wishes.

I know: "It's not necessary"--but that's besides the point. Whatever I do I do because it brings me personal enjoyment, satisfaction, and--as my 1/2 Canadian Indian Grandmother on my mother's side always taught me: If you go up to another to shake his hand and expect them to remember you, and especially if you ask for something from them, before you ask for anything or expect them to remember you--you give something of yourself first... or immediately in return. Not so immediate here, but coming nonetheless soon.

Dan

[Exhibitman]

Reviving this thread. A Swedish seller just ran a bunch of the cards covered here that closed today. Some strong prices.

[Jerry G]

Originally Posted by Box-Cards

... I had been looking for a decent quality, large and clear enough to be fully readable, image of the Valida back from Panini's 1967 Campioni Dello Sport. I've spent so much time researching Google-Bing-Ebay-and searching other internet sites that I'm exhausted--so I figured it was about time I used this quest's opportunity to not only come with my plea, but to start joining in henceforth. Every image I had run across thus far has been too low resolution to make everything in the text out, or too small a PIC to zoom up properly, or simply completely out of focus in the first place...

This might not be as large and clear as you need, but it might help. I also have a 1968/69 with a Valida back if you need it.

Edit: Just noticed that Arthur was going to send you an example, but I'll leave this here as others might be curious.

[Box-Cards]

Thanks Jerry. Got the one emailed from Arthur then worked on it awhile...came out beautiful. The other thing about the Ali Global Card Review that should be striking is that every card's front and back image is individually taken into Photoshop and worked on for as long as it took to make it a relative graphic representation of a PSA-10-type.

The time this took going through the issues from the 1960s and '70s was lost track of long ago. It really wasn't until the 1990s that the process sped up and I got a break.

[Exhibitman]

Dan, I don't have any of that info. Sorry. The data on Israeli cards is scant at best. I have specimens from three different issues and they are all very tough to pin down.

I am basing dating on the Ali on the careers of some of the athletes involved in the issue. Hodorov was done in 1964 but was a major team coach in 1969after which he went into non-sports activities. Shpigler's first big venue was the 1968 Olympics and he was a national team fixture into the 1970s. Pele left international play in 1971, retired from Santos in 1974, then went to NYC for a few years. Shachamorov became an Israeli star in 1969 in the Maccabee Games, then had an international career. She got married in 1973 and hyphenated her name with her husband's name "Roth". My best guesstimate is that the cards are somewhere in the years from 1969-1972.

[Box-Cards]

Understandable, Adam, we are fortunate just to have you share such an obscure issue with us and then provide what you know about the others in the series. Confirming it was an album card, you helped remove the asterisk next to the listing of the issue itself, which was great. Based on the info you know about the others, a likely year of '1969 to early '70s' is being Review entered with asterisk; its general designation that further documentation is required.

While here for anyone with an idea, does somebody know the exact year of the below Mexican album card's issue: #121 "Asses del Ring" Cassius Clay?

Had it recorded but somehow got deleted by accident; now can't remember.